357 magnum for deer

mike Crawford said:
There was no large exit holes so very well may have not hit anything too make it expand .. both bullets were though the bear .. one each way ..
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Ok, let me explain, hunting "expanding" bullets are manufactured to expand in a certain velocity range. Below and after that the bullets will not expand.
At 40y it is likely that the 30-06 bullet was too fast to "flower" and since it didn't hit bone,... the bear charged.
Now a 357mag at 40y is withing the expansion of a oft point so it would arguably have been better.
 
Very well yuo may be right and this is suppose too be about deer hunting with a 357 .. But here is a another bear story LOL .. I shot this one myself and was using a 300 win mag with Federal premium 190 grain bear claws .. .. But anyway I shot this bear about 300 pounds live weight at about 100 yards.. It walked up on a logging road and stood there broad side I hit it just a little far back and the guts were hanging out of the bear on the road .. It walked off the road so about 15 yards before it even layed down.. too say it was screwed was an understatement ,, but too think a bear can take that much gun and have its inwards laying on the ground and it still stand is hard too believe unless you see it yourself .. the odd part about this bear was the exit hole was not that big ,, and the guts were hanging out the bottom of the bear not the exit hole ...as if a bomb had went off inside and spit the bottom of the bear open
 
legi0n said:
Ok, let me explain, hunting "expanding" bullets are manufactured to expand in a certain velocity range. Below and after that the bullets will not expand.
At 40y it is likely that the 30-06 bullet was too fast to "flower" and since it didn't hit bone,... the bear charged.
Now a 357mag at 40y is withing the expansion of a oft point so it would arguably have been better.
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legi0n said:
... at 40yds the 30-06 bullet didn't expand. The 357mag would have.
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This is just nonsense. Drive a bullet too fast and it will expand violently, to the point of self destruction. Once the velocity falls below a certain level, it may fail to expand. Using the wrong bullet may cause a bullet to fail to expand, i.e., a target bullet may blow up or it may pencil through like a solid. X-bullet monos have a reputation for not expanding on occasion, but that is a design flaw. A properly designed hunting bullet will not fail to expand because it's moving "too fast".
 
9.3mauser said:
This is just nonsense. Drive a bullet too fast and it will expand violently, to the point of self destruction. Once the velocity falls below a certain level, it may fail to expand. Using the wrong bullet may cause a bullet to fail to expand, i.e., a target bullet may blow up or it may pencil through like a solid. X-bullet monos have a reputation for not expanding on occasion, but that is a design flaw. A properly designed hunting bullet will not fail to expand because it's moving "too fast".
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http://m.hornady.com/bullets
Some bullets have a minimum recommended velocity and a maximum one.

Sometimes bullets don't expand http://www.outdoorsmenforum.ca/showpost.php?p=1623389&postcount=1

[earlier last week I shot my first black bear at about 80 to 100 yds right through the chest. It crumpled up after about a few yards and was essentially dead before it hit the ground. As I skinned it out I noticed that the bullet passed right through and through with very minimal expansion. It was nice as I only had a hole the size of a dime going in and the hole going out was maybe the size of a quarter so there was no hide loss.
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James1873 said:
I don't think it's that funny, that video with Jerry Miculek shooting a 50 bmg into ballistics gel looks like the bullet didn't expand much until about 14 inches
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I didn't see the video.

Do you think the reason for lack of expansion was due to high speed?

Or was increasing resistance as it moved through the gelatine the reason it DID expand?
 
Gatehouse said:
I didn't see the video.

Do you think the reason for lack of expansion was due to high speed?

Or was increasing resistance as it moved through the gelatine the reason it DID expand?
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I'm not sure but hypothetically if you shot a deer with the same round broadside it might just poke a hole like a solid, where as if you shot it stem to stern it would probably grenade it's guts. Would the bullet have expanded earlier then 14 inches if it was going 500 fps slower into the gel? I don't know I'm not Smart enough to know the answer lol.
 
Gatehouse said:
I didn't see the video.

Do you think the reason for lack of expansion was due to high speed?

Or was increasing resistance as it moved through the gelatine the reason it DID expand?
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you mean decreasing resistance.
the resistance increases with speed.
All ballistic gelatin tests I've seen show an initial non-expanded bullet canal.
 
James1873 said:
I'm not sure but hypothetically if you shot a deer with the same round broadside it might just poke a hole like a solid, where as if you shot it stem to stern it would probably grenade it's guts. Would the bullet have expanded earlier then 14 inches if it was going 500 fps slower into the gel? I don't know I'm not Smart enough to know the answer lol.
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I watched the video

It's a 750gr AMAX bullet, it's not designed for expansion, although it obviously will in certain circumstances. The lack of expansion in the first part of the gelatin had nothing to do with it "going too fast to expand"
 
Gatehouse said:
I watched the video

It's a 750gr AMAX bullet, it's not designed for expansion, although it obviously will in certain circumstances. The lack of expansion in the first part of the gelatin had nothing to do with it "going too fast to expand"
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A-MAX®

Designed by match shooters for match shooters. With an ultra-low drag tip, our A-Max match bullets feature an aerodynamic secant ogive that delivers flat trajectories with excellent uniformity and concentricity. Find out more...

  • Rapid, explosive expansion with limited penetration.
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Gatehouse said:
And do you think that is because the bullet needs to slow before it can expand?
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I have not conducted any tests myself but I noticed that my Hornady Interlocks pierce a nice round hole in mild steel plates at 100y while producing a larger-than-30-cal crater at 300.
There are quite a few accounts of short range hunting where the bullet went through leaving small holes in and out. Especially in big magnum cartridges.

Anyways, this is all off topic in this thread.
 
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legi0n said:
I have not conducted any tests myself but I noticed that my Hornady Interlocks pierce a nice round hole in mild steel plates at 100y while producing a larger-than-30-cal crater at 300.
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That's because the velocity produces more heat which punches a hole in the steel. A bullet hitting steel is going to expand.

There are quite a few accounts of short range hunting where the bullet went through leaving small holes in and out. Especially in big magnum cartridges.
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And this is due to what? The bullet going too fast to expand?
 
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