Client loaner rifles

Slimbo said:
Superbrad....Dual purpose. Sub 140 grain loads for goats, 175gr loads for bear.
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Have hunted many species, but neither of the ones in question.... And never with a blanket rifle...... Jmop, but this doesn't seem to lend itself to a one rifle situation........

At the very least, this sounds like it would require qd mounts......
 
Superbrad said:
Have hunted many species, but neither of the ones in question.... And never with a blanket rifle...... Jmop, but this doesn't seem to lend itself to a one rifle situation........

At the very least, this sounds like it would require qd mounts......
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Brad, my brother and father are hunting Moose and Sheep in the Willmore as we speak. Both are packing Kimber 7mm-08's and both shoot 120 TSX's. I can almost guarantee they will encounter A Grizzly or two. They know that. But they are hunters who have killed a pile of game. They know that modern high power rifles are devastating. If I were with them I'd likely have a 280 Rem or 7mm in tow and I'd likely have some 175 gr A-Frames in my pocket. Largely because I'm a gun nut.

This stuff is largely over analyzed.
 
Brad, the factor that makes it a one rifle situation is not having to buy twice as many rifles. A 2.5-8 or 3.5-10 would be just fine for hunting both species. They won't be hunting both at the same time or in the same place, so adjusting the scope is no biggie. Remember they are the client, not in charge of stopping chsrging animals or chasing wounded bears into thickets.
 
j_06 said:
You re-zero on the fly?
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Bears are hunted in the valley bottom where they feed on salmon. Goats live on the top of mountains. Good luck shooting both on the same day. Be pretty easy to figure out how many elevation clicks between the loads and write it on the scope cap as well.


Angus I'm curious. How many hunters sign up for both a goat and a bear?
 
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It's no trouble at all to zero for 175s off the cuff at camp, and head out. Hadn't even crossed my mind as a consideration, five minutes of shooting to go back and forth.

I listed a mountain goat / grizzly combo but nobody put a deposit on one yet, would be a long hunt. Have had a got client book for bear the next year (this last hunt actually), but I'd generally figure on it being two separate trips.
 
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Slimbo said:
Bears are hunted in the valley bottom where they feed on salmon. Goats live on the top of mountains. Good luck shooting both on the same day. Be pretty easy to figure out how many elevation clicks between the loads and write it on the scope cap as well.


Angus I'm curious. How many hunters sign up for both a goat and a bear?
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what are you smoking? Plenty of bears above the tree line. I've seen goats within a few hundred yards from bears. Maybe different in the coast but when I was in Bella Coola you could glass right from the shore or boat. Not to mention it's probably a #### ton easier and fruitful to hunt the river as opposed to the alpine, doesn't mean bears aren't there. Around here where the few goats are one could defiantly expect bears, sure obviously not on the craggiest #### but I've seen them pretty fkin high up chasin marmots and such. When I last goat hunted a little north of kitwanga we went from the truck to glassing for goats within 8 hours. That's after setting up camp, eating etc. Seen bears and sign the whole way up and over the mountain. I just wouldn't be re zeroing up in our alpine/tree line camps. I usually camp close to were I hunt so I don't take the chance of spooking anything if possible. Im sure different situations it's doable, just seems like a lot of trouble when I could just be confident in one solid load, especially when dealing with thousands of feet of elevation change and some ones big $$$$ on the line. How are the bear and goat numbers around Royston this year?
 
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j_06 said:
what are you smoking? Plenty of bears above the tree line. I've seen goats within a few hundred yards from bears. Maybe different in the coast but around here where the few goats are one could defiantly expect bears, sure obviously not on the craggiest #### but I've seen them pretty fkin high up chasin marmots and such. When I last goat hunted a little north of kitwanga we went from the truck to glassing for goats within 8 hours. That's after setting up camp, eating etc. Seen bears and sign the whole way up and over the mountain. I wouldn't be re zeroing up in our alpine camps that's for sure. Im sure different situations it's doable, just seems like a lot of trouble when I could just be confident in one solid load, especially when dealing with thousands of feet of elevation change and some ones big $$$$ on the line.
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He's right actually, and Slimbo knows my area better than anyone else I know, he flies helicopters there for a living and you can trust him on where the grizzly bears are. Not to get in the way of a good dust up!

You're also right there are some brutish black bears above the tree line, Hoyt was watching what he stated was a monster black bear that looked like a truck in the back, in the alpine. But I don't hunt many black bears as they're few and far between, it's all grizzly hunting pretty well, and those indeed are down in the rivers where the food is. In late October they go to the alpine in search of good snow to den, but before that notta one is up there. Doesn't really affect any of the rifle considerations.
 
Should have added, what you saw at Kitwanaga makes sense, that's a far more inland situation even with salmon considered. I'm right on the ocean and even by the eastern border of my territory the Grizzlies look, and act a lot differently. Almost like different subspecies, these Grizzlies don't roam far, and the highest they'll go is the berries, which are relatively low in alpine terms.
 
Ardent said:
Should have added, what you saw at Kitwanaga makes sense, that's a far more inland situation even with salmon considered. I'm right on the ocean and even by the eastern border of my territory the Grizzlies look, and act a lot differently. Almost like different subspecies, these Grizzlies don't roam far, and the highest they'll go is the berries, which are relatively low in alpine terms.
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Definitely, and i know you guys do why I was sure to acknowlsge your area and situation is different and most likely more productive down low. After seeing those two hogs you guys took there's no denying that. A big blackbear would've looked nice along side them, like a bear Oreo. Was pretty odd seeing them spitting distance from the Skeena full of fish yet on the mountains. Yes, lots of black bear but I was referring to grizzlies being close to the goats and chasin marmots, but have seen some big blacks but mostly in the timber. Yeah just struck me as odd to think you couldn't shoot a bear and goat in the same day, save the work aspect of it when I myself could have done so without taking a step. The load thing to me just introduces another variable which I myself would inevitably fk up. I try to stick to the KISS principle. With huge $ on the line and beast that could turn you to hamburger right quick I'd Be even more inclined to. With practice and quality equipment it's doable, just not for this guy. And Slimbo, my sock tastes like ####. Sorry for the derail.
 
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I'm on the coast and if I hunt in any more rain I'll need a scuba tank...
The 7RM is a solid choice, it's popular for a reason.
As for the gun I've played with a Win M70EW and they are a great piece of kit but it wasn't mine and I never hunted with it.
I love my Sako 85 SS, it has seen all the weather and abuse you know you will encounter and never has had an issue but if I was guiding I think the DM would get me to go with the M70. I can only imagine the "happiness" after a client loses the magazine...
 
Well my vote would be a M77 RS, stainless in the canoe stock, or a M70 EW and add some sights later....I would not want a detachable mag for a loaner gun
I don't like 'em for my own guns either . I've got lots of neat/light/new boom sticks in the safe....but what always goes with me and always brings home the bacon???? M77 MKII, stainless, 35 Whelen.....she's my "go to" every season
 
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