Chinses Ammo Surplus Corrosive or Non Corrosive 7.62x39 9mm

Stop the import of less expensive ammo = cost prohibitive to the consumer.
In Canada cost prohibitive firearm control scheme has been in place for a while.
UN marking regulations etc., will increase prices further = continuation of cost prohibitive firearm control.
 
bluevalley84 said:
Sorry for delay. how do u post pics on here? The stamp on my ammo is either 80/19 or 61/08
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Lever guys buys this ammunition and they know that it is from 1980 and you guys want to believe that it is from 2008. Go ahead believe in it.

Can someone post a picture of the wooden box here. On the box it will clearly state 1980 year
 
westrifle said:
Lever guys buys this ammunition and they know that it is from 1980 and you guys want to believe that it is from 2008. Go ahead believe in it.

Can someone post a picture of the wooden box here. On the box it will clearly state 1980 year
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Why do you feel you must bad mouth lever?
They've been around for a long time.
It seems like rather poor form
 
I am not bad mouthing Lever. Read the post again "Lever guys buys this ammunition and they know that it is from 1980 and you guys want to believe that it is from 2008. Go ahead believe in it."
I do not control their web site where it says 1980th production. Every importer knows when was their ammunition produced. I did not bad mouth them I am saying you guys got it wrong.
 
Gatehouse said:
I'm confused....why should we even care what the headstamp says or argue about the dates?
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It has to do with when the Chinese stopped manufacturing corrosive ammo. I'm not sure but if it was 1980's production it could be corrosive but if it's 2008 it most certainly is not.
 
MuthaFunk said:
It has to do with when the Chinese stopped manufacturing corrosive ammo. I'm not sure but if it was 1980's production it could be corrosive but if it's 2008 it most certainly is not.
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I understand that, but really- there is nothing to argue about.

Headstamps read 05 06 07 08. Or, if reversed- 50 60 L0 80

If we assume that these headstamp numbers indicate the year the ammunition was made, then these batches were made in 2005,2006,2007,2008-or- 1950,1960, 19L0, 1980

Is it likely the Chinese factory packed all the ammo exactly the same over 4 decades and kept only the first year of production separate so they could bundle it all up to send to Canada ? Identical ammo spanning 4 decades all arriving in one container at Lever?

Is it likely the Chinese use a L to create a new number for 1970?

When I was in Lever yesterday buying 6 more crates of this stuff, I did notice they had a sign up for 1980s corrosive berdan primed ammo as well. Maybe that's where the confusion comes from.

Or maybe this stuff actually IS some magic non corrosive from the 1980s and the headstamp is meaningless (there are no markings on the box to indicate date as far as I can tell)
 
Gatehouse said:
I understand that, but really- there is nothing to argue about.

Headstamps read 05 06 07 08. Or, if reversed- 50 60 L0 80

If we assume that these headstamp numbers indicate the year the ammunition was made, then these batches were made in 2005,2006,2007,2008-or- 1950,1960, 19L0, 1980

Is it likely the Chinese factory packed all the ammo exactly the same over 4 decades and kept only the first year of production separate so they could bundle it all up to send to Canada ? Identical ammo spanning 4 decades all arriving in one container at Lever?

Is it likely the Chinese use a L to create a new number for 1970?

When I was in Lever yesterday buying 6 more crates of this stuff, I did notice they had a sign up for 1980s corrosive berdan primed ammo as well. Maybe that's where the confusion comes from.

Or maybe this stuff actually IS some magic non corrosive from the 1980s and the headstamp is meaningless (there are no markings on the box to indicate date as far as I can tell)
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For curiosities sake, what is the three number stamp on the crate? If I remember correctly the middle number is typically the year of manufacture.
 
dand883 said:
For curiosities sake, what is the three number stamp on the crate? If I remember correctly the middle number is typically the year of manufacture.
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Gatehouse (there are no markings on the box to indicate date as far as I can tell)
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. The crates are irrelevant because the Chinese could use whatever crates were available even without any markings.
According to the international laws, all military ammo must have specific headstamps. Chinese military headstamps always show the factory number at 12 o'clock and the year of production at 6 o'clock. Two crates of Lever Arms' ammo I purchased show either 61 at 12 o'clock and 08 at 6 o'clock or, alternatively, 80 at 12 o'clock and 19 at 6 o'clock. Of course, the latter doesn't make any sense because it would indicate that the ammo was produced in 1919! Ditto, the only alternative is 61/08 which means that it was produced in 2008! Furthermore, starting from the 1990's the corrosive primers, based principally on potassium perchlorate, were gradually phased out and replaced by non-corrosive primers principally based on lead styphnate. It is highly unlikely that the Chinese ammo produced in 2008 (or 2005, 2007) would have the old-type perchlorate-based corrosive primers. However, even in some modern primers where lead styphnate is a major chemical compounds some countries still add a small amount of potassium perchlorate for better ignition. I do not know if Chinese do that or not. Nevertheless, if they add a small quantity of potassium perchlorate their modern ammo would be at worst, mildly corrosive. From my experience of using Lever Arms' ammo, I've never had any bad experience with excessive corrosion. On top of it, my 2008 ammo produces a very small quantity of soot. After shooting, say, 100 rounds my SKS is much, much cleaner than shooting with typical corrosive ammo (1970-1980's).
Regarding accuracy, both non-corrosive Lever Arms' ammo and other corrosive ammo are identical. I've never noticed any measurable difference between them.
 
So I opened another spam can today, and what I usually do is remove all the 20 round paper bundle packs and dump them into an ammo can. (750 rounds)

While I was doing this I noticed one round that had a visible dent in it. Like seriously dented. First one in 12 000 rounds now. Next time I go to Lever I will bring it in and demand a .24 cent refund. If they don't comply, I will badmouth them on the internet.

......I'm serious.
 
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