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Is this a recall then? Is the shipping on the owner or will ATR cover it for the fix?

No it is NOT a recall, but thanks for trying to create panic.
This problem effects about 40 rifles, most of which we have already been in contact with the owners of and have resolved.

We are in no way affiliated with or do we employ any ASA parts in our rifles.
 
Pretty much the very definition of a voluntary product recall. No panic. Just looking for the facts. Glad to see it's being taken care of. Any way to tell if the fix has been done? If for instance someone wanted to get one off the EE how could they tell? Any markings?

I see. Confirmed DPMS for the varminter as well as the hunter. Was just curious. Thanks for confirming.

You can not tell me you didn't intend to stir something with your comment about a recall. You carefully worded it in a way that was in attempting to put Rick in a spot and turn the people on him. You are now doing the same with this comment quoted in this post. Seems like a #### move and poor way to attempt to leverage an answer.
 
75 rifles affected, 40 that had to be dealt with. The issue? Manufacturer defect which results in accuracy being nowhere near what the product is advertised as. A factory fix is made and all new ones have this. Is that not a recall? They can work around it however they want, but that's the definition of a product recall, even if it's voluntary. For those using this product when more than just paper targets are at stake, that could potentially be an issue. Especially if they are expecting a sub moa rifle. Or .5 to .75 moa as expected accuracy according to ATR.

Yes, direct questions were asked. Indirect, evasive answers provided. In essence it confirms what we already knew. The BCG was already proven as a DPMS for the Modern Hunter on another forum. So no surprise there. Just curious about the Modern Varminter. Again evasive answer, so one would predict that it's the DPMS BCG which Rick is trying to avoid stating. Probably because of it's cheap below grade reputation in the AR world. No amount of used car salesmanship can make those who know AR rifles, believe that the consumer grade DPMS BCG is anything but entry level. Definitely a far cry from high end.

Unlike yourself I don't have a ton of money and ego at stake with this venture. I'm not trying to justify a purchase decision or retain my resale value when I go to put it up on the EE due to a "Change in interests" etc. I know you're heavily invested in this. I'm sorry. This isn't really about you. It's about finding all the information so the potential consumer can make an informed decision. Not Caveat Emptor. Kind of the whole point frankly of joining a forum.

I'm not worried about my investment or ego. I have removed that from my equation, and yes I admit I am in close to 5k for my MH. If I had an ounce of concern would I have doubled down my risk by ordering a MV for no particular reason other than to have it as a match pair since the ACR is and will continue to be my go to rifle in 556.

I am about answers as well, but I am not interested in doing it in an underhanded way, that's not respectful, your tactics make me think you would fit right in at the CBC.

I will be on the other forum tonight catching up on the ATRS bashing thread so I can see your proof of the DPMS carrier and I will be askin Rick about it myself.

That said I am not all that familier with AR's and can't see what the problem of it would be if the carrier is a DPMS. I plan to have both carriers of my MH and MV NiB coated, so if there is a better option to do that with I have no problem buying a different carrier to get modified before it gets refinished.
 
well is it a dpms g2 bcg? Cause that's a really good bcg, dpms does occasionally make some good stuff, from time to time, the g2 is one hell of a rifle
 
well is it a dpms g2 bcg? Cause that's a really good bcg, dpms does occasionally make some good stuff, from time to time, the g2 is one hell of a rifle

It's a generation 1. I agree about the GII. I was an early adopter with that one. By the way I have a gen1 LR308 with 24" target barrel to compare to a GII Recon. Like night and day the quality difference. The BCG on the GII is very nice. Really that rifle is more Remington.
 
I was aware of the flier issue before I even bought my rifle, I was not aware of the fact that it was only about 40 rifles of the first 75 that have any issue. I am fine with bringing issues up, but I would rather see it done in a manner that was not baiting for an answer. If you wanted to ask directly, give him a call, shoot him an email, nag on these forums (although this seems to not get an answer I admit). I apologize if the CBC comment hurt, PM me your address and I will send a couple of these for your ego. :p


I kid.

Do you have the page for that DPMS carrier proof?
 
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It is a dpms bcg, reasin i know is when i was building a ar308, i called around and a few people have directed me to atrs as they may have sone that are nit converted yet to side charge for the modern hunter. I would have bought ine if they didnt want 420$ for it.
 
You act as if it's some sort of secret, that it was "revealed" to be a modified dpms bolt carrier in the modern hunter... We never kept that information secret.

And epoxy7... You can be a bit abrasive, and you know it.
 
You act as if it's some sort of secret, that it was "revealed" to be a modified dpms bolt carrier in the modern hunter... We never kept that information secret.

And epoxy7... You can be a bit abrasive, and you know it.

Thank you for the straight forward answerve Shaun, so if I guy bought one of these and had the notch machined in it would drop right into a MH? What about the MV, would the AR-15 one work in it with the notch?

I wonder if there would be any need to refinish the BCG after a hat little notch is made? Only one tiny part of the BCG would be un-finished.
 
Thank you for the straight forward answerve Shaun, so if I guy bought one of these and had the notch machined in it would drop right into a MH? What about the MV, would the AR-15 one work in it with the notch?

I wonder if there would be any need to refinish the BCG after a hat little notch is made? Only one tiny part of the BCG would be un-finished.

Why replace it if it's working fine? If it does ever have an issue then check if it will be replaced under warranty first.
For someone who never shoots his rifles you sure do worry alot about long term reliability. Buy some ammo (and NOT from TSE!!!) and take it outside. Considering you live on a farm and could shoot every day your rifles should have thousands of rounds through them not under 100 (by you). You could be the guy posting "I have 3000 rounds through mine without any parts failures" but instead you just look at buying replacement parts to fix a problem that doesn't exist. I'm pretty sure I have more trigger time on your MH than you do.
Take a road trip and come visit me, let's get you shooting instead of collecting. Shut off CGN and go shoot.
 
Thank you for the straight forward answerve Shaun, so if I guy bought one of these and had the notch machined in it would drop right into a MH? What about the MV, would the AR-15 one work in it with the notch?

I wonder if there would be any need to refinish the BCG after a hat little notch is made? Only one tiny part of the BCG would be un-finished.

The notch for the side charging handle is the only modification made to the bolt carriers in either model.

We treat the exposed surface because it will corrode if left exposed. I didn't catch what metal the lantac is made out of.

Our experience has been that after a few hundred rounds a bolt carrier is a bolt carrier is a bolt carrier. The coatings "may" make cleanup a little easier (debatable) but disassemble and drop it in an ultrasonic and that about does it. This is not to say that bolt faces are all created equal however.
 
Why replace it if it's working fine? If it does ever have an issue then check if it will be replaced under warranty first.
For someone who never shoots his rifles you sure do worry alot about long term reliability. Buy some ammo (and NOT from TSE!!!) and take it outside. Considering you live on a farm and could shoot every day your rifles should have thousands of rounds through them not under 100 (by you). You could be the guy posting "I have 3000 rounds through mine without any parts failures" but instead you just look at buying replacement parts to fix a problem that doesn't exist. I'm pretty sure I have more trigger time on your MH than you do.
Take a road trip and come visit me, let's get you shooting instead of collecting. Shut off CGN and go shoot.

Great advice for all of us.
 
Thank you for the straight forward answerve Shaun, so if I guy bought one of these and had the notch machined in it would drop right into a MH? What about the MV, would the AR-15 one work in it with the notch?

I wonder if there would be any need to refinish the BCG after a hat little notch is made? Only one tiny part of the BCG would be un-finished.

Lantac bcg are pretty bad too, I think dpms would actually be better
I wish we could get g2 bcg, that would be the best I think, but frankly aside from buying a g2 I have no idea
 
Why replace it if it's working fine? If it does ever have an issue then check if it will be replaced under warranty first.
For someone who never shoots his rifles you sure do worry alot about long term reliability. Buy some ammo (and NOT from TSE!!!) and take it outside. Considering you live on a farm and could shoot every day your rifles should have thousands of rounds through them not under 100 (by you). You could be the guy posting "I have 3000 rounds through mine without any parts failures" but instead you just look at buying replacement parts to fix a problem that doesn't exist. I'm pretty sure I have more trigger time on your MH than you do.
Take a road trip and come visit me, let's get you shooting instead of collecting. Shut off CGN and go shoot.

I'm tryin to get out, I assure you. But time only permits when the weather has gone for #### it seems, like today I have plans to go out for the first time in almost forever now that we have our first day of snow... :(
 
I'm tryin to get out, I assure you. But time only permits when the weather has gone for #### it seems, like today I have plans to go out for the first time in almost forever now that we have are first day of snow... :(

rain snow or sleet I go shooting. Heck i'm going to join at new range today (in Washington State, working on my CC skills), and its a monsoon outside!
 
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