Taking your new Shadow 2 to the club in Ontario

Brianma65 said:
View attachment 69230Here's a pic of a former discussion , regarding the same issue. If you get stopped without a reg cert, it depends on the Officer who stops you. He may say your transfer slip is good.
Or he may confiscate your firearm.
If he takes it, you then have 14 days to produce the registration certificate .
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Hey guys, it's right here, just read and try and comprehend. Just because you few guys can't find a case , where charges have been pressed, didn't mean, it didn't happen.
The OP asked a question,and he got a lot of wrong answers.
And I don't think anybody is trying to be the nanny police here.
I could care less if you shove the gun down your azzcrack and go for a Double Double... Lol.
But at least let each individual make up their own mind , as to what's legal. Not what you think is right.

As I said, I've taken the gun to the range with the transfer paper, but with the thought that I would have a reg card soon.
 
Brianma65 said:
Hey guys, it's right here, just read and try and comprehend. Just because you few guys can't find a case , where charges have been pressed, didn't mean, it didn't happen.
The OP asked a question,and he got a lot of wrong answers.
And I don't think anybody is trying to be the nanny police here.
I could care less if you shove the gun down your azzcrack and go for a Double Double... Lol.
But at least let each individual make up their own mind , as to what's legal. Not what you think is right.

As I said, I've taken the gun to the range with the transfer paper, but with the thought that I would have a reg card soon.
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That doesn't say anything about being "charged for unauthorized transportation of a restricted firearm" like the OP said.
 
Gatehouse said:
That doesn't say anything about being "charged for unauthorized transportation of a restricted firearm" like the OP said.
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Your right, it don't , but it says they can take it from you and that you have 14 days to produce your registration certificate .
What happens after that? I'm not sure. And I don't really want to find out.
Maybe they just keep it, maybe there's a charge.
Either way , it's not good.
 
Bob, I am referencing his accusations that the of taking guns without the reg cert is wrong, without his even knowing if they have them or not. I am not talking about whether the act of doing so is right or wrong.
 
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One reason why folks send along the registration certificate for the firearm. Just saying, Has anyone here been stopped by an officer and asked to produce the certificate??

Slavex gotcha

Take Care

Bob
 
spooksar said:
Did a transfer in Alberta on Friday and I was told that I have to wait for the regesteration to take it to the range. This was the first time I've been told this, and I have over 60 restricted guns
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Ok, this will be my final post in this topic and I am hoping that the mods will close this as it has been requested by the original OP, that should not have started this topic to begin with. By FEDERAL LAW, you can only take firearms to clubs if they are legally registered to you. By way of acknowledgement, they provide you a registration certificate. In case you are pulled over for whatever reason, this must be shown to prove your registration. Failure to do so will result in confiscation until you can show the provided documents. The transfer notification shows registration by including the buyers name, serial # and new registration #. This shows proof of registration and ownership. However, police only look for that certificate so it can cause some issues which is why they tell you to wait. Are you breaking any laws - NO, Will you lose your gun - NO, Will you have to go to court - NO. Can this cause an inconvenience - YES. The majority of cops will not pull your firearm if you tell them that you just purchased the firearm and show them the transfer papers showing them that you are owner, however, you always can run into that one idiot.

Bottom line is that the choice is yours. ALL firearms owners I have ever known have taken their guns out to the range as soon as they received them with their transfer papers. The choice is yours though. The worst thing that can happen is that it can be an inconvenience if you run into sheriff Buford T Justice :).
 
^ Nope. Your friendly neighborhood Police Constable is trained/instructed to ensure all transported firearms are "safe"...they will check your arms, they will ask that you open any and all locked containers, and they will check mags and chambers to ensure nothing is being transported loaded. Ask me how I know.cou:

Oh, and IBTL.
 
plinker 777 said:
^ Nope. Your friendly neighborhood Police Constable is trained/instructed to ensure all transported firearms are "safe"...they will check your arms, they will ask that you open any and all locked containers, and they will check mags and chambers to ensure nothing is being transported loaded. Ask me how I know.cou:

Oh, and IBTL.
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Technically by law you should never open up your Restricted firearm cases in public if a police officer asks you. Your firearms are not supposed to be exposed to public air unless that air is in your home or at one of the 5 other places aka the range.

If a cop ever asked me to unlock and show him my pistols he would either have to follow me home, to the range or take me to the police station to verify. #### if I'm going to be entrapped by the police, I will never show my restricted firearms to a cop in public.
 
LambeauLeap said:
Technically by law you should never open up your Restricted firearm cases in public if a police officer asks you. Your firearms are not supposed to be exposed to public air unless that air is in your home or at one of the 5 other places aka the range.

If a cop ever asked me to unlock and show him my pistols he would either have to follow me home, to the range or take me to the police station to verify. #### if I'm going to be entrapped by the police, I will never show my restricted firearms to a cop in public.
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Well sounds good but...

I recently returned from WA, having attended the State IDPA Championship match. When I entered the border crossing I did so on my own volition. I at that point fall under the spell of the officers who have legal rights to search my vehicle and my person without cause. This time around the folks wanted to see my guns and I was happy to oblige. They didn't ask to see my registration certificates, though I did tell them where they were on an unsolicited basis. I had them and they were free to ask to see them and would have found them had they decided to search the vehicle in any event. No big deal. They were polite, (the gals in the booth asked probing questions - cool when you recognize the process for what it is), and the fellows were polite. One of them shoots IDPA at a WA club. I was on my way in about ten minutes max. The whole interaction was vdery professional.

A lot has to do with attitude when dealing with anyone and particularly when you are dealing with police officers or Border Customs folks. Reminding them of what you think your rights are or what the law says from my life experiences is not a winning strategy in my view. Hell most of us who shoot competitions shoot with a lot of the same guys who wear badges for a living. They have a job to do and for the most part do it well. Let them do it and you will be on your way.

Take Care

Bob
 
All this handwringing and misinformation over a non-issue.

Read the law, make informed choices.

Go on about your day...
 
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abb1 said:
Ok, this will be my final post in this topic and I am hoping that the mods will close this as it has been requested by the original OP, that should not have started this topic to begin with. By FEDERAL LAW, you can only take firearms to clubs if they are legally registered to you.
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Final post? Good, because you're wrong about this. Firearms can be loaned to others who have the correct licence.
 
LambeauLeap said:
Technically by law you should never open up your Restricted firearm cases in public if a police officer asks you. Your firearms are not supposed to be exposed to public air unless that air is in your home or at one of the 5 other places aka the range.

If a cop ever asked me to unlock and show him my pistols he would either have to follow me home, to the range or take me to the police station to verify. #### if I'm going to be entrapped by the police, I will never show my restricted firearms to a cop in public.
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You're wrong, too. This ^ has been claimed over and over, and it's still wrong.
 
stevebc said:
Final post? Good, because you're wrong about this. Firearms can be loaned to others who have the correct licence.
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Yes... But transporting them is subject to the conditions of the transport permit attached to your license... In Ontario, you can only transport firearms registered to your name

For loaned firearms.... The CFO in Ontario has to issue a separate att, at least that's my understanding (this is one of the conditions)
 
LambeauLeap said:
Technically by law you should never open up your Restricted firearm cases in public if a police officer asks you. Your firearms are not supposed to be exposed to public air unless that air is in your home or at one of the 5 other places aka the range.

If a cop ever asked me to unlock and show him my pistols he would either have to follow me home, to the range or take me to the police station to verify. #### if I'm going to be entrapped by the police, I will never show my restricted firearms to a cop in public.
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I'm pretty sure someone can not be found guilty of an offence when the following the reasonable and lawful instructions of a police officer acting within the duties of their job
 
LambeauLeap said:
Technically by law you should never open up your Restricted firearm cases in public if a police officer asks you. Your firearms are not supposed to be exposed to public air unless that air is in your home or at one of the 5 other places aka the range.

If a cop ever asked me to unlock and show him my pistols he would either have to follow me home, to the range or take me to the police station to verify. #### if I'm going to be entrapped by the police, I will never show my restricted firearms to a cop in public.
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If you ever find yourself in this very rare situation ( more people win the lotto than have police demand to
Inspect their pistols on the roadside) just tell the officer you don't feel comfortable about violating the transport laws but here is the key if they want to take a look.
 
Brianma65 said:
Hey guys, it's right here, just read and try and comprehend.
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Unfortunately that doesn't help. We know the law requires we carry the registration certificate when transporting, that much is clear. What is not clear is whether the transfer notification is a defacto registration certificate.
 
spooksar said:
Did a transfer in Alberta on Friday and I was told that I have to wait for the regesteration to take it to the range. This was the first time I've been told this, and I have over 60 restricted guns
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Did they tell you that you had to wait for the registration certificate to bring it home? If not, it would have been interesting to ask them how they arrive at the transfer notification being a registration certificate for purposes of bringing the forearm home for the first time, but not for taking it to the club.
 
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