You've never saw a Partition, or A-Frame shot at close range? Just randomly picked a
Couple that are available in factory ammo that will absolutely kill the crap out of things at close range.
My Results with Hornady ELD X bullets. Not Great. Pics.
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You've never saw a Partition, or A-Frame shot at close range? Just randomly picked a
Couple that are available in factory ammo that will absolutely kill the crap out of things at close range.
Yes, I use partitions , bear claw, accubonds etc. but not in big calibers on small WT deer which is what the referenced friend was doing. That was, IMO why he always needed help tracking and finding his deer. Likely the same ammo in a more game appropriate caliber would have been more effective at food plot ranges.
There are a lot of different opinions on terminal ballistics. On camp thinks the bullet should expend all its energy in the animal and not exit. The other camp likes a nice exit wound with a well expanded bullet. I've had both happen and cannot say one or the other has a distinct advantage. It seems to depend entirely on what the bullet hits on its way through. In my case, the second shot was in the neck below the ear. This broke the neck but did not knock the moose down. This is the second time I have hit a moose in the same spot with little immediate results. The moose might have been dead at this point but I do not like waiting around. My third shot was more in the chest area behind the shoulder. I punched a small hole going in as it went between the ribs but blew a 2-3 inch chunk of ribs out on the far side. The most interesting part is after blowing this big hole in the far ribs, it hit the skin, made a large bruise on the hide but did not have enough energy to go through. Thankfully, it fell over at this point.
I should also point out to the experts that my first shot was aimed exactly at the shoulder to stop him from running into the trees never to be found till the next morning. There was only 15 minutes of legal shooting time left. It was hot with plenty of coyotes, bears, and wolves. So yes, I was willing to chance a shoulder shot in order not to loose the whole moose. I was not expecting that kind of devastation. Regardless of which camp a person is in regarding bullet performance, the proof is in live game results and not theory or ballistic gellatin. This is why I am so interested in hearing other hunters real life experience. Eventually a trend will appear.
I should also point out to the experts that my first shot was aimed exactly at the shoulder to stop him from running into the trees never to be found till the next morning. There was only 15 minutes of legal shooting time left. It was hot with plenty of coyotes, bears, and wolves. So yes, I was willing to chance a shoulder shot in order not to loose the whole moose. I was not expecting that kind of devastation. Regardless of which camp a person is in regarding bullet performance, the proof is in live game results and not theory or ballistic gellatin. This is why I am so interested in hearing other hunters real life experience. Eventually a trend will appear.
BigUglyMan
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My theory on this is as follows... If you have a boat with a 1/2" hole in it and your buddy has the same boat with two 1/2" holes in it, which one sinks first? Bullets kill either by disconnecting the central nervous system or exsanguination. "Shock" doesn't kill, unless you hit the animal with pickup truck.
The moose did go down.
You have meat in the freezer.
You had meat damage due to shot in shoulder.
Lessons learned.
Have been in similar situation, getting close to dark and needing to fill tags. Fire until down.
It sucks, but such is life. You will remember this for next time and either question whether to take the shot or not.
A fast and heavy round will do meat damage if hit in shoulder anytime.
I used a .375 H&H this year, had limited time and opted for a spine shot, dropped on the spot. Slow and heavy, lost less then a pound of meat with Remington Core-Lokt 275 at about 150 yards. I could almost get my fist into the hole left in the spine but very little meat damage.
Am I pleased with performance and my choice in chambering, hell yes.
Would the results have been similar with a faster round - i would think not.
If I was a trophy hunter I would probably opt for shoulder shot every time and I would also expect meat damage as well.
It is what it is.
You have meat in the freezer.
You had meat damage due to shot in shoulder.
Lessons learned.
Have been in similar situation, getting close to dark and needing to fill tags. Fire until down.
It sucks, but such is life. You will remember this for next time and either question whether to take the shot or not.
A fast and heavy round will do meat damage if hit in shoulder anytime.
I used a .375 H&H this year, had limited time and opted for a spine shot, dropped on the spot. Slow and heavy, lost less then a pound of meat with Remington Core-Lokt 275 at about 150 yards. I could almost get my fist into the hole left in the spine but very little meat damage.
Am I pleased with performance and my choice in chambering, hell yes.
Would the results have been similar with a faster round - i would think not.
If I was a trophy hunter I would probably opt for shoulder shot every time and I would also expect meat damage as well.
It is what it is.
I don't remember exactly other than the box color design. I tried looking at images under Fed Premium on Google but all the packaging now seems to be red graphics like vital shok etc. These he had were packaged in the the older semi gold/dark blue similar to some of their shot shell box graphics.
He shot a doe at about 40 yards and she ran almost a quarter mile. Our deer down South(Gulf Coast) are around 125 lbs live weight. Even the ones he shot that hit bone ran way further than expected. Most none bone impacts had smaller holes with little or no real expansion.
Just seemed to be the wrong combo for small thin skinned deer. Last time I was home he had put the Weatherby Mag away and had a single shot .270.
I have shot deer here in ON with Fed Factory Premium with a .375(I was bear hunting) and at 30-40 yards and wasn't real pleased although it did the job. I have seen them perform better (in .375 )on 250-300 lb hogs but they have 2-3 inches of hard fat and skin and mud / pine resin "shields."
- Location
- In the shadows of the Rockies
Not so sure about that. I've seen big elk killed outright with a broadside lung shot from a .416 Remington Magnum using 300gr X bullets impacting at about 2700 fps. Also with .458 X bullets impacting at about 2500 fps.
Sounds like a copper bullet user that's on the verge of figuring something out, but not quite there yet.
Crank a close range smallish deer with a .300 'Bee and the most ordinary of Weatherby factory loads (spire point, which is code for Hornady) or Partitions and it'll be all over but reciting "Nuttin' hits harder, you know that rest" and wandering over to see what you crushed.
This is exactly my train of thought.
The lesson learned is to make better choices in bullet selection. Given the same exact circumstances I would have done the exact same thing. Choosing not to shoot was not an option given the circumstances. If it was 500 yds away, on the run, or a dozen other factors, then I would have gone home the next day with an uncut LEH tag. On to the next lesson. Still love to hear more personal experiences.
Not really a fair analogy. If you have one entrance hole, and disconnect an artery, the deer is still "leaking" from the inside. The only difference in having two holes would be the amount of blood on the ground for tracking.
Shock does indeed kill...........a 220 Swift shot into a broadside deer's lungs and they are dead before they hit the ground.PO Ackley killed a lot of med sized game with his .17 wildcats and experienced the same lights out trauma.I don't condom this but it works.Harold
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BigUglyMan
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
- Location
- New Scotland
Point taken. I should have specified that shock from commonly available hunting projectiles doesn't kill. Bombs generally kill by rupturing internal organs with an excess of pressure or by shrapnel. I suppose that's the way P.O. used to clobber deer with the Swift.
I hear ya, probably not alone in doing so. Many lives left shell shocked when not.
