Should I buy a Norc M305?

Decided to visit firearms outlet canada in ajax today. Left with a rifle and some ammo. Super nice guys there! Let me pull a few rifles out of the bags before I found the one I wanted. I was worried it would be hard to see if the indexing would be off but one rifle was really bad and the front sight was adjusted way over to the right to compensate. (I should state the rifle was still sealed in the bag, they were as surprised as I was)

Thanks for the help guys, I'm looking forward to taking this thing out now!
 
Gosh I hope so. We just bought one!. Bought it knowing it may be a little bit of a project, have not got into it yet though.


Hey gentlemen like the title states, should I buy an m305? I've got a little money saved up for a new toy and I've got my choices narrowed down and one of them is an M305. But after reading the sticky for M14/M1A/M305 inspection I'm a bit weary. It almost sounds like I'm guaranteed to have problems! That coupled with the fact my local store only has M305 Shorties in stock it so I'd likely end up ordering online and be unable to inspect the rifle in person before buying it. So I've got a few other questions

22" or 18.5" barrel? My heart says get the shorty but my brain says get the standard. I've also heard there are more issues with the shorties than the standard ones. Particularly with barrel indexing.

What should I feed it? I understand to stay away from wolf/tula ammo for it but are there any others to avoid? Will they take commercial .308 or do I need to stick to 7.62x51?
 
"Appropriate" is a bit of a stretch.

I don't know about that much of a stretch. You made yourself a castle nut pliers. I had tried taking it off without one and found it next to impossible.
Channel lock pliers and a piece of leather will double as a gas lock wrench as well, but you fashioned one out of a piece of delrin which I imagine is a heck of a lot more convenient to use as well.
 
Re: my bolt problem, I wonder if the extractor spring is longer than it needs to be. It sticks out so far that it makes it exceedingly difficult to push the extractor down into position. If I had an extra set of hands it might be possible, but not with the two that have...

as for the .30-06 trick, would an 8mm Mauser Snap Cap work in its place? (Just based on what I have at hand)

If it's a Norinco, the spring may indeed be too long. If you are planning to use a scope mount such as the ARMS#18, its Promag knock-off version or something similar, I've been told it's worthwhile cutting off 3 coils off the ejector and 2 off the extractor to prevent the spent casing from jamming underneath the mount. http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/foru...-18-and-Jams?p=5295407&viewfull=1#post5295407

I had that problem on my M305 with the ARMS#18 mount and cutting the coils prevented further jamming.
 
Tilt test,
check head spacing,
Check trigger function
fix the loose op rod guide (hammer and punch)
fix the op rod if it no longer moves after fixing the guide (lots of them come bent)
inspect the gas assembly for cracks, ensure the piston can't jam sideways in it.
lock tight the rear site retaining screw

I've bolded the things you may want to check before firing it so that you can return it.
You may also want to check:
- the barrel index: is it vertically in line with the receiver? (the front sight may be out of wack to compensate, or it may just be out of wack by itself). It is misaligned in any other way?
- does the bolt roller make contact with the receiver when in battery (you should be able to slip a piece of paper between the roller and the receiver -- with the op rod removed)
- is there good contact between both bolt lugs and the receiver lugs when the action is closed (i've been told to check this with a spent casing in the chamber, as it may appear loose when the chamber is empty)
- is there good negative pressure acting on the gas piston when the rifle is tilted muzzle end upwards (with the op rod, op rod spring and spring guide removed), such that the pistol descends slowly (desirable) or the piston just drops (not desirable)
- does the gas port in the barrel line up with the gas cylinder (can be checked with a round toothpick or thin allen key and a flashlight)
- ensure that the op rod is not bent and that it and the bolt slide easily back and forth when the rifle is tilted up and down 30 degrees from horizontal (with the op rod spring and guide removed) -- this is the Tilt test
- the rear sights are often loose or shake loose with repeated firing because they are either poorly made or not tightened adequately at the factory. This isn't a deal breaker since most people replace the rear sight for a USGI version. There's also a fair bit of oil under the rear sight when new, which sprays backwards when shooting it for the first time. Wear your eye protection or hold a cloth over it
- does the bolt hold open work (some don't lock open on an empty mag). Again, this may not be a deal breaker if you decide to swap it out for a USGI or aftermarket product
- ensure that the safety bridge inside the receiver effectively stops the firing pin from moving forwards until the bolt is fully seated into battery.
 
Decided to visit firearms outlet canada in ajax today. Left with a rifle and some ammo. Super nice guys there! Let me pull a few rifles out of the bags before I found the one I wanted. I was worried it would be hard to see if the indexing would be off but one rifle was really bad and the front sight was adjusted way over to the right to compensate. (I should state the rifle was still sealed in the bag, they were as surprised as I was)

Thanks for the help guys, I'm looking forward to taking this thing out now!

Congrats! Welcome to the club.

fyi, the action on these rifles is a little stiff out of the box. I was concerned at first, but after the first box or two of ammo, everything loosened up (including the op rod guide, which was fixed with the hammer and dimple method) as the parts broke in.
 
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If it's a Norinco, the spring may indeed be too long. If you are planning to use a scope mount such as the ARMS#18, its Promag knock-off version or something similar, I've been told it's worthwhile cutting off 3 coils off the ejector and 2 off the extractor to prevent the spent casing from jamming underneath the mount. http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/foru...-18-and-Jams?p=5295407&viewfull=1#post5295407

I had that problem on my M305 with the ARMS#18 mount and cutting the coils prevented further jamming.

The spent .30-06 trick did the job! albeit with an 8mm Mauser snap cap in place of a spent .30-06 case. Using the gun to reassemble itself made up for the third, fourth and fifth hands I don't have!

Adventures in gunsmithing!
 
Well quick update! Only negative about this individual rifle is the rear sight. I took it apart and reassembled it with locktight so we'll see how it holds up. Was planning on replacing it with a USGI or M1 rear sight anyways so no biggie. Anyone know where I can find one?
 
Rear sight is loose and comes loose when you adjust it. Took it apart, put it back together with locktight. It feels pretty solid now but I'm not sure how it will do under recoil.
 
Hey gentlemen like the title states, should I buy an m305? I've got a little money saved up for a new toy and I've got my choices narrowed down and one of them is an M305. But after reading the sticky for M14/M1A/M305 inspection I'm a bit weary. It almost sounds like I'm guaranteed to have problems! That coupled with the fact my local store only has M305 Shorties in stock it so I'd likely end up ordering online and be unable to inspect the rifle in person before buying it. So I've got a few other questions

22" or 18.5" barrel? My heart says get the shorty but my brain says get the standard. I've also heard there are more issues with the shorties than the standard ones. Particularly with barrel indexing.

What should I feed it? I understand to stay away from wolf/tula ammo for it but are there any others to avoid? Will they take commercial .308 or do I need to stick to 7.62x51?

In order:

Yes
22"
Any semi decent surplus

Buy one and never look back...........

Candocad.
 
Rear sight is loose and comes loose when you adjust it. Took it apart, put it back together with locktight. It feels pretty solid now but I'm not sure how it will do under recoil.

In my personal experience, 2 out of 4 of the Norinco rear sights are junk. If you are planning on using irons Marstar has a good quality commercial replacement for $99.
 
Well quick update! Only negative about this individual rifle is the rear sight. I took it apart and reassembled it with locktight so we'll see how it holds up. Was planning on replacing it with a USGI or M1 rear sight anyways so no biggie. Anyone know where I can find one?

Give SPCAMNO a shout. He's in the GTA and has got Taiwanese produced rear sights for the M14.
 
Locktite ahould never ever be used on a rear sight.....

It's supposed to move. It's also supposed to be removed for maintenance and lubrication.

It has been my experience, that Nork sights are not worth the effort. Usually I can take 4 or 5 and get a functional sight out of the parts, but the effort involved is not worth the cost of a decent replacement. User spcamno sells good useable replacements for less than the cost of a USGI surplus one.

John
 
Locktite ahould never ever be used on a rear sight.....It's supposed to move. It's also supposed to be removed for maintenance and lubrication.

It has been my experience, that Nork sights are not worth the effort.

Ummm...not to be argumentative, but your statements don't really follow. I wouldn't Locktite a _good_ sight, but the junky Norc sights, why not? If you get your sight adjusted to the point where it shoots 2" or so above POA at 100yd. it will do for anything a M305 can reasonably be expected to do at any reasonable distance [say, 300yd. or so] with iron sights and Kentucky windage. Locktite it at that point and you'll be good to go.

Of course a quality replacement will work as intended...my M305 has a set of the BM59 sights that Italian guy was selling a couple of years ago, and they are solid.
 
In my personal experience, 2 out of 4 of the Norinco rear sights are junk. If you are planning on using irons Marstar has a good quality commercial replacement for $99.

Think I'm going to end up ordering that one. Although they have used Italian, Korean and USGI M1 Garand rear sights for sale as well. Anyone know if the used rear sights are worth spending more for?
 
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