How long does a S&W 629 last? Let's find out! 13K+ now

I am quite sure Gander realizes which feature you are talking about. Whether you call it "knurling" or, as I know it, a case cannelure, it is a band that is rolled into the case of factory loads below the base of the bullet to reduce the chance of the bullet moving under recoil. This is why it appears to be random, as the presence of a case cannelure depends on which load the brass was used for when loaded as a factory cartridge. A case that was used by Winchester to make a light target load might not have the case cannelure, while a case originally loaded by Winchester as a full bore magnum will have the cannelure rolled in. The two cases will probably be otherwise identical.

With respect, the cannelure is halfway on the case...I don't know what bullets you're using, but I haven't seen a bullet that is seated halfway in the case. The crimp on the knurling is at the top of the case where the bullet is seated...not half way down the case.
 
I don't know what bullets you're using, but I haven't seen a bullet that is seated halfway in the case. The crimp on the knurling is at the top of the case where the bullet is seated...not half way down the case.

In the photo above with six cartridges arrayed, the fourth from the left (JSP in nickel case) exhibits a bulge of the case mouth from the projectile as far down as the cannelure of the third (JHP in brass). Seems to be in the perfect position to give a little hug to the base of the bullet. (It's not half-way, BTW.)

Are you getting confused with the cannelure that is also present on the projectiles, where they are crimped into the case?

A wad-cutter gets seated pretty deeply…
 
Well OP good on you for keeping this going! I had no doubt the 629 would do well but I'm impressed to hear the brass lasted that many reloads!

Thanks, I'm very surprised about the brass too as everything I had read said a max of 10 reloads. Now I want to keep going until the last piece finally cracks. Then next is the Federal brass that does not have the mysterious band.
 
Barry (Re: mysterious band), you load .44 mag as do I, can you verify my position that the base of the bullet is far above the mysterious band? I haven't loaded any in a while, but I even have some hollow points (which are longer {same weight}) and even they aren't near the band if I recall.
 
Barry (Re: mysterious band), you load .44 mag as do I, can you verify my position that the base of the bullet is far above the mysterious band? I haven't loaded any in a while, but I even have some hollow points (which are longer {same weight}) and even they aren't near the band if I recall.

Verified, the band is way below the base of the bullet. (or rather the bullet is way above the band) I tried different powder loads to see if it lined up with any and none of the loads I use match. Some are close but no cigar.
 
I've searched and searched and Gander is correct in so far that for some ammo, the projectile is secured in the case by both the knurling on the bullet and case crimp, but also by a cannelure on the case at the base of the bullet (projectile)...oddly enough, the example I found was the earth shattering recoil of the .45 acp.:rolleyes:
I've even found an aftermarket machine for putting the case cannelure back into the case...but the damn thing is driving me nuts because:
a) I've never seen a .45acp cartridge from factory with the mystery band ('cause it wouldn't need it.)
b) the only cases I have found it in from factory are magnum cases...and the band is way below the base of the bullet (projectile).

I fear the cannelure will fall into the great mysteries of all time...Did the Mayans possess Alien technology? Did Adolph Hitler escape Germany after Berlin fell? Is there any $ in the Oak Island money pit? What is the cannelure on magnum cases there for!? Are the Great pyramids of Egypt really an antenna? :p
 
I've searched and searched and Gander is correct in so far that for some ammo, the projectile is secured in the case by both the knurling on the bullet and case crimp, but also by a cannelure on the case at the base of the bullet (projectile)...oddly enough, the example I found was the earth shattering recoil of the .45 acp.:rolleyes:
I've even found an aftermarket machine for putting the case cannelure back into the case...but the damn thing is driving me nuts because:
a) I've never seen a .45acp cartridge from factory with the mystery band ('cause it wouldn't need it.)
b) the only cases I have found it in from factory are magnum cases...and the band is way below the base of the bullet (projectile).

I fear the cannelure will fall into the great mysteries of all time...Did the Mayans possess Alien technology? Did Adolph Hitler escape Germany after Berlin fell? Is there any $ in the Oak Island money pit? What is the cannelure on magnum cases there for!? Are the Great pyramids of Egypt really an antenna? :p

And the mystery of why some of them of the same brand have no band at all....
 
Pulling my hair out for a half reasonable answer!? :bangHead:

I'm guessing it's simply a side effect of the manufacturing process.

Old stock vs New stock could explain why some from the same manufacturer have it and other don't.

Different source factories (or different suppliers for the same brand) could also be another cause. Old process vs New process etc.

Having said that, I found this on S&W form. Not sure I believe it though.

"The crimp or ring in the middle of the case is called a case cannelure. Mostly seen in rounds loaded for auto pistols. The purpose is to prevent the bullet from being pushed down into the case when chambered."

Also found this which makes the most sense to me.

Here is an excerpt from a patented process for commercial loading, which uses the cannelure to index the case during the reloading process (I added the underline):


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"Apparatus for holding a cartridge case during a reloading operation that includes a jaw holder having a first groove extending linearly thereacross, second and third grooves intersecting the first groove at right angles and extending away therefrom in opposite directions and a bore opening to the first groove and centered relative the grooves for having a primer moved therethrough, three elongated jaws having elongated slots, each jaw having a lip at each of its longitudinally opposite ends, and screws extended through the jaw slots and threaded into the jaw holder to permit adjusting the jaws in the grooves relative the bore and retain the jaws in the adjusted positions. Two jaws are mounted in the first groove on diametrically opposite sides of the bore, the third jaw is mounted in the third groove and the second groove is provided for translating a cartridge case to have the lips of the three jaws extend into the case cannelure. In the first embodiment, the jaw holder is a plate mountable on other structure, for example a conventional loading press while in the second embodiment the jaw holder is a portion of a primer seater."



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I've searched and searched and Gander is correct in so far that for some ammo, the projectile is secured in the case by both the knurling on the bullet and case crimp, but also by a cannelure on the case at the base of the bullet (projectile)...oddly enough, the example I found was the earth shattering recoil of the .45 acp.:rolleyes:
I've even found an aftermarket machine for putting the case cannelure back into the case...but the damn thing is driving me nuts because:
a) I've never seen a .45acp cartridge from factory with the mystery band ('cause it wouldn't need it.)
b) the only cases I have found it in from factory are magnum cases...and the band is way below the base of the bullet (projectile).

I fear the cannelure will fall into the great mysteries of all time...Did the Mayans possess Alien technology? Did Adolph Hitler escape Germany after Berlin fell? Is there any $ in the Oak Island money pit? What is the cannelure on magnum cases there for!? Are the Great pyramids of Egypt really an antenna? :p

I have some older Factory Remington .45 that has the knurled band on the case at the base of the bullet (roughly halfway)

I've wondered myself why some cases have them and others dont.
 
Thanks, I'm very surprised about the brass too as everything I had read said a max of 10 reloads. Now I want to keep going until the last piece finally cracks. Then next is the Federal brass that does not have the mysterious band.

Yeah I expected to have to cull my brass soon as a certain amount of it is coming up on 9 times (all reloaded hot) so I was expecting to start seeing some case failures. Your post gives me hope to be able to keep on using it well past the tenth reload.
 
9558 rounds Back from the dead! This going back to school thing has really cut into my shooting since this is the first time I've been out in almost 3 months.
Interesting times too, after reloading somewhere around 30K rounds of various calibres I had my first squib load. It made a very distinctive fizzle sound and I stopped and suspecting a misfire (meant a hang fire), I held down range for a minute before swinging the cylinder out. The bullet was stuck in the forcing cone and I couldn't knock it out with the aluminium cleaning rod. So that was the end of .44 shooting for the day. Removed it at home, cleaned and inspected and no obvious harm done.

Guess it had to happen sooner or later. The 200 each of 9mm and .40 helped to use up the remaining targets though.

And a new issue with the gun was discovered, the front sight insert is super loose in the barrel so time for another visit from Mr. Epoxy.

Correction, 2 issues were found. The front sight loose is a minor one, the frickin' crack in the side cover is a bigger one.

Very hard to take close up pictures of shiny stainless steel guns with a flash camera so I outlined the crack in red. Same place the 29-10 cracked too. :mad:

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Wow, that is a hell of a test for a 44 magnum and very worthwhile information. I have owned two 44 magnums (629 classic & 629 hunter) and never put more than 1000 rds through each of them. To be honest, remembering the shear force of this cartridge, I don't think mine would have held up to that many rounds either. You should be able to get a side cover from S&W though, and this would be a simple fix.
 
9558 rounds Back from the dead! This going back to school thing has really cut into my shooting since this is the first time I've been out in almost 3 months.
Interesting times too, after reloading somewhere around 30K rounds of various calibres I had my first squib load. It made a very distinctive fizzle sound and I stopped and suspecting a misfire, I held down range for a minute before swinging the cylinder out. The bullet was stuck in the forcing cone and I couldn't knock it out with the aluminium cleaning rod. So that was the end of .44 shooting for the day. Removed it at home, cleaned and inspected and no obvious harm done.

Guess it had to happen sooner or later. The 200 each of 9mm and .40 helped to use up the remaining targets though.

And a new issue with the gun was discovered, the front sight insert is super loose in the barrel so time for another visit from Mr. Epoxy.

Correction, 2 issues were found. The front sight loose is a minor one, the frickin' crack in the side cover is a bigger one.

Very hard to take close up pictures of shiny stainless steel guns with a flash camera so I outlined the crack in red. Same place the 29-10 cracked too. :mad:

4fzhok.jpg



Wow that thing is getting a workout!
Did you pull off the side plate to see if the frame is cracked under it? Seems odd for the plate to crack...
 
Wow that thing is getting a workout!
Did you pull off the side plate to see if the frame is cracked under it? Seems odd for the plate to crack...
Actually, the side plate would be the first area to crack as it is held in place with 3 screws to a precise fit. Because of the high pressure on the frame by the magnum cartridge, it will affect those areas fastened to the frame first such as the side plate and even wooden grips (if you have them, I would use rubber for magnums myself).
 
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