Why people hate wolves.

Demonical said:
You want to know the perfect example of what a predator free country looks like? (Besides Haida Gwaii)

New Zealand.

Check out the Red Deer there, for one. They have an enormous population of Red Deer, the finest trophy quality in the world.
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Hmmm. If I understand correctly, red deer are an introduced species, have destroyed native habitat, are regarded as pests in much of the country and are subject to continuous culls. Hunting opportunities, yes, but at what cost to the natural ecosystem and landholders?
 
canadian hunter312 said:
Hmmm...we're both "just guys", yet you're automatically right? Funny how some people think so highly of themselves, eh?


Many of the bush lots in my area are tiny and hold only a few deer with the largest having a couple dozen and shooting 20 deer would require killing every deer in a few bush lots or eliminating the large majority in the largest bush lots in my area. Therefore, what I said is true as 20 deer can mean nothing in some areas while it can be devastating in others. While I am no biologist, I have hunted the area for over 15 years and participated in enough deer drives to have a very good idea of how many deer are typically in the bush lots I have access to. Many bush lots are so small you only need 3 drivers and 2 blockers to conduct a deer drive and cover the 100% of the bush in one drive.

The only bush lots around here that could support a 20 deer harvest in a season are conservation lands where hunting is not permitted....
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In northern ontario there are deer but not huge numbers. Winters are very tough food is hard to find. If you shoot a few deer that is fine but if you shoot 10 or twenty it would be hard on the population in the area.
 
Chuckbuster said:
Hmmm. If I understand correctly, red deer are an introduced species, have destroyed native habitat, are regarded as pests in much of the country and are subject to continuous culls. Hunting opportunities, yes, but at what cost to the natural ecosystem and landholders?
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We have similar issues the deer were introduced and thay are hard on the wild Vegetation but deer has become a substitute for salmon
But then again we're not farmers or ranchers we are a nation of fisherman and hunters
 
I live and hunt near Algonquin Park in Ontario. The treehuggers have for years been trying to protect the wolves in the Park. Because the wolves come out of the Park they used to quite often get shot.
They finally have convinced the Wynne and her merry crew that in order to do this all wolves should be protected all around the Park.
In order to get this done they have they have declared that a new species of wolf has been found and it is of course an endangered species.
They used to be called brush wolves, eastern wolves or mongrel wolves.
They will get shot regardless.
 
Win/64 said:
How could anyone hate Wolves? If it wasn't for Wolves there wouldn't be Dogs.

99% of a Dogs DNA is Wolf.
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With my guys that's hard to remember sometimes..........................

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canadian hunter312 said:
Hmmm...we're both "just guys", yet you're automatically right? Funny how some people think so highly of themselves, eh?


Many of the bush lots in my area are tiny and hold only a few deer with the largest having a couple dozen and shooting 20 deer would require killing every deer in a few bush lots or eliminating the large majority in the largest bush lots in my area. Therefore, what I said is true as 20 deer can mean nothing in some areas while it can be devastating in others. While I am no biologist, I have hunted the area for over 15 years and participated in enough deer drives to have a very good idea of how many deer are typically in the bush lots I have access to. Many bush lots are so small you only need 3 drivers and 2 blockers to conduct a deer drive and cover the 100% of the bush in one drive.

The only bush lots around here that could support a 20 deer harvest in a season are conservation lands where hunting is not permitted....
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So am I seeing that your saying that 20 deer in the very small area you have access to represent a large part of the population?? If so, what you're missing is that just 'cause you don't have access to the other 99% of the area doesn't mean you have all of your region's deer in the 1% you can trudge around on.

This world isn't built to give YOU access you a whole pile of deer. They're out there, you just live somewhere with limited access to wildlife areas.
 
Amelio said:
I'm going to say this again are biggest problem with game population is poachers. If you realized the number of animals that are getting killed a year it would probably blow your mind. Poaching is common practice in rural areas.

A wolf pack is no comparison to a man with a high power gun.
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I live in a rural area, and have lived here for 6 years. I grew up in a rural area. In 6 years I have heard zero rifle shots outside of hunting season, and neither has my mom who still lives on the farm I grew up on. Yes, I am often outside at night.

Growing up we'd often see the spotlights from the reserve and hear shots, but that's done now.

At least around here, poaching is not common.

Now, when I lived near Hinton (the Wild West) there was bear poaching going on - gall bladders for Chinese medicine sh!t.....
 
My salf I don't think poaching for food is a bad thing it just survival but it is important to minimize it
Same thing with wolfs there just surviving but with us upsetting the natural balance sum Control over wolf population is important but that's not hate
 
Watched an interesting show on this topic in the last couple weeks. I think it's called "an unnatural predator", and its subject matter is the Alberta wolf hunt. It presents some interesting thoughts.

I'll let you all watch it and form your own opinions.

GGG
 
man we're an opinionated bunch. ;) I don't hate wolves or anything else, but I'll take a crack at any wolf that I get a chance at.
We've lost stock to wolves, coyotes, ravens, crows, and magpies. I don't hate them, but I shoot them when I get the chance.
 
barry1974w said:
man we're an opinionated bunch. ;) I don't hate wolves or anything else, but I'll take a crack at any wolf that I get a chance at.
We've lost stock to wolves, coyotes, ravens, crows, and magpies. I don't hate them, but I shoot them when I get the chance.
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Crows and magpies must be a lot bigger in BC than they are in ontario.
 
Amelio said:
Crows and magpies must be a lot bigger in BC than they are in ontario.
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Just because you haven't seen it happen, doesn't mean it doesn't happen.

I've seen it, also here in central BC.

They go after the newborn calves... eyes first... and then through the anus...
 
Magpies peck at the bugs on cattles backs until they have a hole through the skin which often becomes infected causing tremendous open sores and wounds to the animal. You should stop reading Farley Mowat and get out and experience nature at work first hand. Ever wonder why crows are the first to migrate back and set up nesting right away? It's timed so that as other birds are nesting the crows hatched chicks can be fed songbirds, their eggs and newly hatched chicks. Magpies take big advantage of that too. I had so many crows and magpies nesting here two springs back not one bird house here had a bluebird, marten or any songbird. I went on a black bird killing spree and within days my yard was full of birds filling the nesting boxes again.
 
Ungulate numbers are way down all through this part of BC. Not sure why they dropped so quickly but they did. Wolf numbers are way in our area. After a fresh snowfall the wolf tracks are everywhere. Now I doubt the wolves were the only factor to put the moose numbers down but they will surely keep them there. There are packs with 18+ wolves touring around on the lake. If anyone thinks they are only targeting the sick and injured they are wrong, full-blown healthy pregnant cows are being taken regularly as spring approaches. Not hard to find on the lake. There are many factors in play besides an unfettered mother nature. Logging (which increases herbivore densities) more road building which aids predators and so on. Nature stopped following its own path when man discovered agriculture, it has needed to be managed since that time. Most hunters do not hate wolves, they understand their place in nature. Right now wolf #'s are too high, the evidence is pretty damning. They need to be thinned out. Carverk has the right idea IMO.

Question: You have pack of say 10 wolves. You shoot the Alpha male. What happens next?
 
Bland said:
Ungulate numbers are way down all through this part of BC. Not sure why they dropped so quickly but they did. Wolf numbers are way in our area. After a fresh snowfall the wolf tracks are everywhere. Now I doubt the wolves were the only factor to put the moose numbers down but they will surely keep them there. There are packs with 18+ wolves touring around on the lake. If anyone thinks they are only targeting the sick and injured they are wrong, full-blown healthy pregnant cows are being taken regularly as spring approaches. Not hard to find on the lake. There are many factors in play besides an unfettered mother nature. Logging (which increases herbivore densities) more road building which aids predators and so on. Nature stopped following its own path when man discovered agriculture, it has needed to be managed since that time. Most hunters do not hate wolves, they understand their place in nature. Right now wolf #'s are too high, the evidence is pretty damning. They need to be thinned out. Carverk has the right idea IMO.

Question: You have pack of say 10 wolves. You shoot the Alpha male. What happens next?
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Your words echo my Grandfathers, a man who spent more time in the bush than most of us will in our lives. His favorite saying was "I've never seen a wolf running around with a stethascope and thermometer".
 
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