What is the shortest but highest end double-barrel shotgun?

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Mmmm Holland and Holland triple barrel ivory stocked titanium nitride coated 3 inch chamber. Yes, they have made at least one stock out of elephant ivory, it sold for approximately 500,000 euros
 
You can order one directly from any German or Austrian gun maker, will cost you around $5000 to $7000 depending on the choice of the shop
 
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Oh, brother... get a new job riding stagecoach?

Do what every other "Door Breacher" does... a shorty 870...
 
Jake1911 said:
Mmmm Holland and Holland triple barrel ivory stocked titanium nitride coated 3 inch chamber. Yes, they have made at least one stock out of elephant ivory, it sold for approximately 500,000 euros
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brybenn said:
I've seen photos of a rifle Holland and Holland made with an ivory stock.
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Is this the rifle you mean?

http://huntinglegends.co.za/news-room/gun-room/collector-375-holland-holland-sale/

I'm not sure H&H made the rifle. It's a Blaser R3 and H&H rifles are made on Mauser actions.
 
stubblejumper said:
Exactly, it would be a much better fit in the black&green forum. The vast majority of people on this forum want shotguns that are actually useful for hunting or sporting uses.
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Well my take is this... The original poster isn't asking about a black or green shotgun, he's asking about a short side by side. I'm not sure why you'd say a short sxs wouldnt be useful for hunting or sporting uses though. I've shot many a critter with a short shotgun not one has gotten up. Clays break the same. There's an old saying that goes a poor craftsman blames his tools.
 
I hunt and shoot skeet with short barreled shotguns. My scores don't drop.

However that is not the same rifle in ivory as I've seen. Gorgeous engraving. Fugly though. I don't think I'd overcome my traditional bolt gun muscle memory to use the Blaser and such actions
 
Rick B said:
Why is this even in this forum?
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stubblejumper said:
Exactly, it would be a much better fit in the black&green forum. The vast majority of people on this forum want shotguns that are actually useful for hunting or sporting uses.
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Because the vast majority of people in this sub-forum do things exactly the way their great grandpa did, in spite of the fact that firearms evolution has moved on.

With chokes and modern shells, patterning and velocities with a short barrel shotgun is comparable to long barrelled shotgun. The advantages of a shorty shine out in bush hunting (grouse in particular, in my experience) where a shorter barrel is easier to manage.

But don't take my word for it. There's this thing called "Google" that allows you to search something called "the internet". When used in conjunction, you can quickly find that the subject of velocity and patterning out of short barrelled shotguns has actually been researched at length, and that the "common wisdom" about barrel length is almost 100% without basis in fact.

http://www.smallarmsreview.com/display.article.cfm?idarticles=111

The spread of the 12-inch barreled version was almost identical to the much more cumbersome 24-inch barrel, with an extreme spread only 1.5 inches greater. After conducting these tests it is our opinion that a 12-inch barreled shotgun with proper sights gives the owner/operator the best performance in the smallest practical package without any major sacrifices in size or performance.
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grelmar said:
Because the vast majority of people in this sub-forum do things exactly the way their great grandpa did, in spite of the fact that firearms evolution has moved on.

With chokes and modern shells, patterning and velocities with a short barrel shotgun is comparable to long barrelled shotgun. The advantages of a shorty shine out in bush hunting (grouse in particular, in my experience) where a shorter barrel is easier to manage.

But don't take my word for it. There's this thing called "Google" that allows you to search something called "the internet". When used in conjunction, you can quickly find that the subject of velocity and patterning out of short barrelled shotguns has actually been researched at length, and that the "common wisdom" about barrel length is almost 100% without basis in fact.

http://www.smallarmsreview.com/display.article.cfm?idarticles=111
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Right, that's why the world's top shooters use short barreled guns in the shooting sports. That's why highly skilled bird hunters talk endlessly about barrel length and weight and it's impact on follow through. Because the internet will tell us that the most skilled, highest volume shotgunners in the world use short barreled guns.

What?

It doesn't?

Oops?



Go talk down to some other people. Don't need that attitude here.
 
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canvasback said:
Right, that's why the world's top shooters use short barreled guns in the shooting sports. That's why highly skilled bird hunters talk endlessly about barrel length and weight and it's impact on follow through. Because the internet will tell us that the most skilled, highest volume shotgunners in the world use short barreled guns.

What?

It doesn't?

Oops?

Go talk down to some other people. Don't need that attitude here.
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Attitudes like his are why this site thankfully has two shotgun forums.

That linked article from Small Arms Review is a joke. The only patterning that was done was with 00 Buck at 15 yards. The spread in velocity between the longest and shortest length was 488fps which is hardly "comparable."

The lovers of stubby shotguns should come out to clay shoots and put their money where their mouths are. "Grandpa" could always use a little extra spending money at Christmas time. :d
 
Travis Bickle said:
I will vouche for the Stoeger Coach gun.
Short, light, built very solid and locks up real nice and tight. Puts the buck shot and slugs exactly where they need to go every time!
Also has fixed chokes. I believe the barrels on mine are 20"
No it's not high endbut for what you pay for and for what you're looking for it's very good value for the money.
Most high end douchey shotguns with fancy etchings and endangered tree wood tend to have 30" pipes on them.
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We're talking about high-end gun here. I think you've waded into water too deep for your experience level.
 
grelmar said:
http://www.smallarmsreview.com/display.article.cfm?idarticles=111

The spread of the 12-inch barreled version was almost identical to the much more cumbersome 24-inch barrel, with an extreme spread only 1.5 inches greater. After conducting these tests it is our opinion that a 12-inch barreled shotgun with proper sights gives the owner/operator the best performance in the smallest practical package without any major sacrifices in size or performance.
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Anyone who describes a 24" barreled shotgun (especially a double) as "cumbersome" is effectively demonstrating that they don't have any ####ing idea what they are talking about.
 
Deuce-deuce said:
Well my take is this... The original poster isn't asking about a black or green shotgun, he's asking about a short side by side. I'm not sure why you'd say a short sxs wouldnt be useful for hunting or sporting uses though. I've shot many a critter with a short shotgun not one has gotten up. Clays break the same. There's an old saying that goes a poor craftsman blames his tools.
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Apparently the top clays shooters, be it trap, skeet or sporting clays find that longer barreled shotguns work better for breaking clays, since none of them use shotguns with 12.5" barrels.
 
stubblejumper said:
Apparently the top clays shooters, be it trap, skeet or sporting clays find that longer barreled shotguns work better for breaking clays, since none of them use shotguns with 12.5" barrels.
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You are correct... I wasn't talking about top "clays" shooters, I was talking about myself. I assure you I'm far from a "top" shooter at any of the wing shooting sports. We mostly just shoot hand tossed clays.
What's with the Attitude from a few posters? I said it before, the OP isn't about a black or green shotgun. I'm sorry it doesn't fit into a few members narrow view but that doesn't make it incorrect.
 
grelmar said:
Because the vast majority of people in this sub-forum do things exactly the way their great grandpa did, in spite of the fact that firearms evolution has moved on.

With chokes and modern shells, patterning and velocities with a short barrel shotgun is comparable to long barrelled shotgun. The advantages of a shorty shine out in bush hunting (grouse in particular, in my experience) where a shorter barrel is easier to manage.

But don't take my word for it. There's this thing called "Google" that allows you to search something called "the internet". When used in conjunction, you can quickly find that the subject of velocity and patterning out of short barrelled shotguns has actually been researched at length, and that the "common wisdom" about barrel length is almost 100% without basis in fact.

http://www.smallarmsreview.com/display.article.cfm?idarticles=111
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The image of someone upland hunting with a stubby shotgun is silly. IMHO:d But to each their own.
 
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Deuce-deuce said:
You are correct... I wasn't talking about top "clays" shooters, I was talking about myself. I assure you I'm far from a "top" shooter at any of the wing shooting sports. We mostly just shoot hand tossed clays.
What's with the Attitude from a few posters? I said it before, the OP isn't about a black or green shotgun. I'm sorry it doesn't fit into a few members narrow view but that doesn't make it incorrect.
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I think the attitude starts with Travis Bickle and grelmar. "Douchy"? The condescending talk about how to use google and our inability to keep up with the times?

The sheer truth of it is I can drive a nail in many, many places with a crowbar. But a hammer works better. Far be it for me (us? anyone?) to tell someone else what to shoot and hunt with. If you're happy, I'm happy. But if someone wants to talk down to us, the vast majority of people who engage in wing shooting and the clay sports, well, you're gonna get a reaction.

It is highly likely the OP is not going to use the gun exclusively for wing shooting. Or clays. Suggesting the thread is better in the other section is actually a sensible idea. Calling us names, talking down to us or wondering what's with our attitude....not so sensible.
 
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