BeaverMeat
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I'm with you. It should be a personal choice, not mandated by the state. I choose to wear a helmet because I don't want to be a vegetable.
Helmets mandatory in Alberta green zones !!
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I'm with you. It should be a personal choice, not mandated by the state. I choose to wear a helmet because I don't want to be a vegetable.
Technically can't do that either...
The definition of hunt in the Fish and Wildlife Conservation Act reads:
"hunting" includes,
a) lying in wait for, searching for, being on the trail of, pursuing, chasing or shooting at wildlife, whether or not the wildlife is killed, injured, captured or harassed, or
b) capturing or harassing wildlife, except that "hunting" does not include,
c) trapping, or
d) lying in wait for, searching for, being on the trail of or pursuing wildlife for a purpose other than attempting to kill, injure, capture or harass it, unless the wildlife is killed, injured, captured or harassed as a result,
its different here because we have universal healthcare, so your stupidity costs other people money... I dont agree with it though, I pay taxes therefore if i hurt myself what's the difference to some other person going to emergency because they feel "achy"... at least i'll have a reason to be there lol.
The part that chokes me is that there is no differentiation with what they term ATV. On an standard quad where there is no 5 point safety harness or roll bars a helmet makes sense, same as a motor cycle. But in an enclosed steel cage, held in place by a 5 point harness , what gain could possibly exist?
By Canadian motor vehicle standards this should be classed as highway legal. Yet it is only possible to register it as a OHV.
In the USA I can drive it on the highways as there it is considered an automobile due it having all of the requisite things such as signal lights, wipers, horn etc.
I doubt that the morons who run this province have given the slightest bit of thought to side by sides and any other vehicle that have been lumped in to the ATV catch all.
Thats a tom car i think right? original side by side, by father in law had three of them, they were terrible 2 wheel drive, slow, heavy and if the belt got wet you were screwed. decent suspension though, took them off a couple jumps
. Didnt know people still had them. I suppose they'd be alright for hunting and stuff when the ground is frozen.X2. These laws are made by people that obviously don't partake in these activities yet feel they should tell us who to vote for what to eat what to believe what to say and what we have to accept according to them. The only thing I can see beinifical is less taxpayer related medical costs. How much though? Pretty minimal as I suspect most people wear helmets most of the time for most applications involving motorsports . It's like life insurance wtf do I care I'll be dead I don't give a hoot who gets my stuff its irrelevant as I'm dead I don't think it matters at that point. As I won't be able to have any thought to the matter I'll be dead. Some Laws are good some of the time but a blanket definition often times has conflicts
I said something similar while trying to get 200,000 liability instead of 1mil on a motorcycle. The guy at Dalton didn't sound impressed. the government mandated a minimum of 200,000 good luck finding a place that doesn't force 1 mil.
Never get married, never have children and make sure you have $10,000 cash in a drawer for someone to dispose of your carcass.
Like insurance is vital unless you are unloved.
Hmmmm....The part that chokes me is that there is no differentiation with what they term ATV. On an standard quad where there is no 5 point safety harness or roll bars a helmet makes sense, same as a motor cycle. But in an enclosed steel cage, held in place by a 5 point harness , what gain could possibly exist?
By Canadian motor vehicle standards this should be classed as highway legal. Yet it is only possible to register it as a OHV.
In the USA I can drive it on the highways as there it is considered an automobile due it having all of the requisite things such as signal lights, wipers, horn etc.
I doubt that the morons who run this province have given the slightest bit of thought to side by sides and any other vehicle that have been lumped in to the ATV catch all.
Growing up the son of an OR nurse and owning quads my whole life I've heard every horror story you could imagine. I've also crashed enough dirt bikes, sleds and quads to see the value in a good helmet. Stuff happens way to quick to not wear one IMO, but that should be a choice of the individual. I've heard enough stories of 30 year quadrapalegiacs to know that's not what I want for my family. Think of how much hitting your head on the dam cupboard door hurts, imagine a rock at even 25km or a 500 pound machine catching up to you tumbling me down hill, it hurts a lot.
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We will ignore the obvious hyperbole of your first sentence as just silly. You do seem, however, to fail to understand that being dead is not the worst thing that can happen to you, your family, or friends (if you have any of those). Not quite dead is far worse, and also quite possible.
It's not at all like life insurance, although you are correct in the sense that, without any dependents, life insurance is not necessary. I might point out that life insurance is also completely voluntary. If you end up a vegetable from a head injury, however, THAT can well be problems for anyone who happens to care about you, as well as all the complete strangers that must pay for your intubated, catheterized, and perhaps ventilated rest of your miserable life. No one lives in a vacuum, and no one should claim the right to let blind, sloganized "rights and freedoms" penalize the rest of society.
The government spends more on health care costs related to smoking than it makes in cigarette tax revenue. The reason its not illegal is due to lobbiests being paid by big tabacco if anything.
And drugs ARE illegal. Providing supervised injection sites reduces needle sharing which spreads diseases, and overdoses, both of which cost the tax payer way more money than running the injection sites. Furthermore, they give addicts better access to addiction treatment programs, which helps reduce the number of addicts/users.
Therefore, if you pay taxes, you should be for safe injection sites because they save money and lives.
Of course if you've never been to the downtown east side then maybe you just don't get it...
Dude I was in a motorcycle accident and broke over 25 bones in one go. My femur my neck c1 and c2 a vertebrae in my back punctured both lungs ruptured my stomach. Honestly I think my understand of this subject due to actually going through a terrible mishap. Is much greater then I think you could ever understand, and yes I was wearing a helmet. Guess what auto/bike insurance covers the medical bills. In Canada they won't let you die or suffer to much. I'm not saying ride without a helmet but really a law to force it in every instance I just don't agree with sorry it's my own opinion and I understand what your saying loud and clear.
Not married no kids and I have a 25 dollar a month td insurance for a whatever a funeral possibly, that goes to my mom. I think it's 25 thousand or something not much. so check check and check.... I don't or won't insure things like a vehicle with life insurance. Disability, and accident insurance sure. I don't have a mortgage so not needed there cross that bridge when the time comes. Until things or circumstances change why would I ? I won't take a huge policy out as I feel it's a hedge and the money spend per month on a comprehensive plan is a waste of my hard earned money. When a broker calls me I love to give them the Spiel about death they can't comprehend it. But sir! But sir you don't understand they always say it makes me chuckle. I get it for some people it's great but same as a helmet law perhaps for others not so much. Coming from a person who wears a helmet. Cycling snow boarding etc. I don't agree with the incoming law how much are the fines who enforces it is there exemptions? How much does it cost ? People should wear helmets in high risk activities. If not I think there is a some words called natural selection that come to mind.
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Quote-Of course if you've never been to the downtown east side then maybe you just don't get it...
I should have known where this would go - it just insults me to insinuate that I don't have common sense older hunters like me just put around to save having a heart attack getting to where we're going . Like I have said the toddler and the very old are in much more need of a helmet .
But there is the woo hoo boys and guys that go faster than they should in terrain that they have no practice navigating . So they make these rules to protect the weak link . And to the quote above I feel fortunate that I have been isolated from these other people and situations that make these laws nessesary.
I've worked in the north and have used atv transport since there was only trikes and no communication available Safty was always common sense , I have probably put more miles on atv units than a lot of people have in cars
Times are changing and I don't like it - over and out
I should have known where this would go - it just insults me to insinuate that I don't have common sense older hunters like me just put around to save having a heart attack getting to where we're going . Like I have said the toddler and the very old are in much more need of a helmet .
But there is the woo hoo boys and guys that go faster than they should in terrain that they have no practice navigating . So they make these rules to protect the weak link . And to the quote above I feel fortunate that I have been isolated from these other people and situations that make these laws nessesary.
I've worked in the north and have used atv transport since there was only trikes and no communication available Safty was always common sense , I have probably put more miles on atv units than a lot of people have in cars
Times are changing and I don't like it - over and out
You understand it because you're protecting your mom. Good on you
I can see how my comments come across as an uninformed ass, I'm just not a fan of any new law I'm a libertarian at heart. We can't be a afraid to live, and take some calculated risks. That being said the world we live in isn't singular like you have mentioned. I'm just a young single guy trying to live without being too bothered. I guess it's human nature to reject the status quote ideas on how to live. No one likes to be told what to do or well... not most people
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- calgary alberta
Thats a tom car i think right? original side by side, by father in law had three of them, they were terrible 2 wheel drive, slow, heavy and if the belt got wet you were screwed. decent suspension though, took them off a couple jumps
Yup that would be a TOM car. There are actually quite a number of them in Canada. Many are used in the mines.
4 wheel drive would have been a nice touch for sure but I am still amazed at how many places I have taken mine without issue. The earlier 1s were slow, mine has the 1000 CC engine that the early Honda Civics had and 60 MPH is plenty fast enough for me in a vehicle that weighs 900 lbs.
Agreed, certainly not the greatest all wheel drive hard core ATV but for my purposes the very best option available.
