Awesome.
Prairie Fire Classic Multigun - rescheduled to Aug 26\27, 2017
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Awesome.
Should the typo read "Aug 26/27"?
Edit: I see those dates in the thread title. All good.
It means guys with semis will be at a greater than usual capacity disadvantage to the pumps.
I know my pump holds 9 from factory and my buddy has a 12 round rem 870 so I don't see how pump guys are at a disadvantage, if you your talking speed there's a few in Lethbridge that will beat guys with semis all the time, it's all on the shooter in the end.
Okay, because it was all written in one line it read to me like the no ghost-loading was because of the law, not just an additional rule.
I take it ghost-loading is disallowed because there are no divisions in this match to make it more fair?
Follow up question: does this mean no Matchsaverz too?
I take it ghost-loading is disallowed because there are no divisions in this match to make it more fair?
Follow up question: does this mean no Matchsaverz too?
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No clue.... Some MDs think of these things like cheating....i wouldn't be surprised to shoot a match one day where they say that matchsavers aren't allowed
I don't know what the concern is at this match.... Maybe they do think it's illegal, maybe it's a club rule, who knows....
Let me help (I hope).. we feel that it's good to have a consistent, referenceable rule set, so we choose USPSA.. many thanks to the effort and experience they put into those rules. And their reasons I'm aware of from our course that caused the decision against ghost loading were.. delays in the loading process, slowing down shooter turn time as people fought with getting one on the carrier at "Make Ready" (granted this has gotten better over the years), if the ghost loading goes wrong at the preload table, now you have a round in the chamber at the preload table (a safety issue). As well, typically it requires modification to the bolt.
I'll separate the two statements to avoid confusion about legality, versus a rules item. Thanks for catching it.
Matchsavers? No issue !!
Hope this helps..
I'll separate the two statements to avoid confusion about legality, versus a rules item. Thanks for catching it.
Matchsavers? No issue !!
Hope this helps..
Time zone?
I can see why someone screwing up a ghost load can lead to a slight delay, but since pre-loading means you have one in the chamber - at least the way I understand it - I don't see how that is more a safety issue than loading to capacity. Get your fingers in there and clear it. I think it should be case by case, personally. If the RO sees the competitor continually screwing it up, then they might have a word and convince the newb to not ghost load for the rest of the match.
By carrier do you mean side saddle?
By carrier do you mean side saddle?
3 gun matches take a long time to shoot and reset for each competitor.
A slight delay on half or more of the competitors on every stage means you are shooting into the night or not finishing the match.
From a match management standpoint, when the expected turnout will have a healthy mix of new and experienced competitors, eliminating known delays is a smart move.
As a competitor, I'd prefer to use my gear any way I wish and don't like the no ghost load rule.
It is what it is.
Carrier typically refers to the shell lifter/lifting mechanism in your action with regards to ghost loading.
A slight delay on half or more of the competitors on every stage means you are shooting into the night or not finishing the match.
From a match management standpoint, when the expected turnout will have a healthy mix of new and experienced competitors, eliminating known delays is a smart move.
As a competitor, I'd prefer to use my gear any way I wish and don't like the no ghost load rule.
It is what it is.
Carrier typically refers to the shell lifter/lifting mechanism in your action with regards to ghost loading.
Preload is defined as loading the magazine tube only, then inserting a chamber flag in the chamber, and safety on. You can literally knock the gun off the table, and never get a round chambered. In the start position (or when staging it on the pickup table) after the "Make Ready" command, you remove chamber flag, and actually load a round into the chamber, top up the mag tube if required (if you load a round directly into the chamber, no need.. but it you push the carrier release button (eg Benelli) then rack a round in, you'll have to add one to the magazine tube), and safety should still be on ready for start, or pickup.
By carrier, I mean the internal shell carrier, also referred to as the lifter..
By carrier, I mean the internal shell carrier, also referred to as the lifter..
When we preload for shotgun we do it to capacity, including chamber and lifter (if applicable).
It's done as a squad, under SO supervision, and once loaded up, the shotguns are not touched without direction from the SO. It doesn't necessarily work in all bays, due to space or stage layout, but it does save an immense amount of time. We've had no safety issues with this method.
It's done as a squad, under SO supervision, and once loaded up, the shotguns are not touched without direction from the SO. It doesn't necessarily work in all bays, due to space or stage layout, but it does save an immense amount of time. We've had no safety issues with this method.
