Canik in Canada... is there a point?

I've had mine for over a year now, couple of thousand rounds down the pipe and for the price it's a good gun. Again when I bought it the price was a steal, but now at 550 ish (plus tax) Canadian it's at the Upper limit of what I would pay brand new.
If I sold mine right now I'd be asking 450-500 max.
Upgrades to me are like mod's on a car, you never get back what you put in to it. You may have put good money in to it but, the next guy may not like what you did and now needs to spend money un-doing what you did.
 
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I love my tp9sa, couple thousand rounds through it. Accurate, great trigger, great ergos, easy takedown. Got extra mags from questar. Highly recommended.
 
Import said:
Sorry epoxy7... I just don't get the comparison with the M&p...fit and feel is way better on the Canik...but I also know we all have our own opinions and favourites...guess I proved I wouldn't pick the M&p...but then lots of folks really rate HK...so far I've had three, havn't kept one of them...I want to feel the love ...just don't.
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Yup...sold my M&P for the TP9SA. The Canik wins hands down out of the box. Maybe if I had an M&P 9 with an Apex trigger....what is that, another $200 bucks?....I might feel differently. That would also mean a different class in IDPA shooting as well.

I was getting somewhat discouraged with my shooting abilities on the M&P9...and so was my wife who is a new pistol shooter. That all changed with the Canik. Love this Pistol.
 
I have a Canik which I picked up new in box from my local gun shop just over a year ago. Under $500 taxes in.

It's a great pistol. Accurate, reliable with every type of ammo its been fed, at least ten different makers and weights. The fit and finish is very good and it is ergonomically comfortable for my mid size hand.

One thing I'm noticing on the EE is how many sellers purchase a firearm, use it for a season of hunting, or to take to the range on several outings, then put it up of sale and try to get every dime out of it they put into it or more. I saw that pistol and at $650 the seller is trying to get his purchase price, taxes and shipping costs out of a pistol he has likely put a few hundred plus round through or maybe more.

Personally when I see something like this I just move on. Sellers like that are weenies IMHO.
 
If you removed the word Canik from the slide and replaced it with H&k, Walther or any other well known manufacturer and added $200 to the price, everyone would be raving about this gun.
 
It could be the best pistol in the world and I still wouldn't buy it. We should be sending troops and bombs to Turkey, not money.
 
cadgo said:
It could be the best pistol in the world and I still wouldn't buy it. We should be sending troops and bombs to Turkey, not money.
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I'm sure it's only a matter of time....your new president will find a reason...kinda feel for ya...
 
Import said:
Sorry epoxy7... I just don't get the comparison with the M&p...fit and feel is way better on the Canik...but I also know we all have our own opinions and favourites...guess I proved I wouldn't pick the M&p...but then lots of folks really rate HK...so far I've had three, havn't kept one of them...I want to feel the love ...just don't.
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Well, let's see. Right now the price for the M&P9 range kit is: $630 comes with 3 mags. Includes Blade-Tech® Kydex® Holster, Blade-Tech® Double Magazine Pouch. Canik TP9SA kit is: $569 comes with 2 mags and a holster that has been reported to be pretty marginal.

The M&P9 comes with 3 sizes of backstraps. The Canik TP9SA doesn't have this option (one size fits all). The M&P comes with a Stainless steel slide that is either coated with Melonite or PVC (Police versions) coatings. The Canik has a regular steel slide with a Cerakote finish.

The M&P9 is made from better materials (stainless slide with melonite coating) and better more adjustable overall design (multiple back straps). The range kit comes with 3 mags, a good holster and mag holder. There are only two real negatives I have over it. 1) The trigger is about a pound heavier than most striker fired pistols it's competing against (plus it's not that smooth at first) . Like the Glock, you press the trigger prior to take down. 2) Accuracy is mediocre. Which could also be a product of the trigger. It's not a target pistol but still I would have hoped for better from an otherwise pretty good all around pistol.

The Canik TP9SA is a good modified copy of the Walther P99. It comes with 2 mags and a garbage holster. The TP9SA has a very nice trigger. Not as good as my PPQ but pretty close. Considering this pistol is a modified copy of the P99 which was the predessesor of the PPQ, this shouldn't be a surprise. It's well made with good fit. The finish is Cerakote. Not my favourite but it's ok. Accuracy was ok. Frankly I expected better. My PPQ shoots exceptionally well. The Canik shot better than the M&P9 but not by much at all. Again, I was unpleasantly surprised by this. I really expected more. I tried multiple 9mm rounds from various companies and in various weights for both the M&P9 and the TP9SA. The main negatives I have over the Canik are 1) The decocker. Good for disasembly but it can deactivate your trigger. This was a throw back from the double action where it makes sense and doesn't leave your pistol requiring the slide to be racked to work again. It takes a fair bit to press this and it's unlikely to have an issue, but still. It's something that can't be ignored. 2) Accuracy was ok but nothing great.

Value: The Canik TP9SA is supposed to be a well made "value" option of a high end firearm. Turkey can make some pretty good firearms and some of their factories have the various ISO 9000 ratings. In the USA this pistol is $355. In Canada it's $569. The M&P9 range kit in the USA is $538. In canada the M&P9 kit is $630. At this time, the clear value winner is the M&P9 range kit.

I would buy the M&P over the Canik anyday. In fact I did.
That being said I would spend the extra and get a PPQ or one of the other competitors that I mentioned to the PPQ.
 
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Looks like a fair and reasoned argument....although mine has proved accurate...don't use the decocker(as I don't/can't carry)..trigger and re set is very good......I believe it still represents good value...holster is ok at best..but it works...and I havn't found the need for adjustable grips...it's a well shaped frame..
 
Import said:
Looks like a fair and reasoned argument....although mine has proved accurate...don't use the decocker(as I don't/can't carry)..trigger and re set is very good......I believe it still represents good value...holster is ok at best..but it works...and I havn't found the need for adjustable grips...it's a well shaped frame..
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You can't use the decocker with the Canik TP9SA. If you do use it, then your trigger goes dead and you will have to rack the slide to get your pistol working again. It was a design for their DA/SA earlier pistol that they simply kept for the SA version. With the DA/SA version pressing it doesn't deactivate your trigger. It simply ensures that you are in DA mode. For the SA version it only assists when going to take down the pistol by removing the need to press the trigger prior to take down.

I found the medium grip worked well for me on the M&P9. With the Canik I didn't need adjusting the pistol grip either. It fit me well out of the box. But others on the various ends of the spectrum might not find that. The PPQ and the P99 for example have 3 pieces to adjust the size of the back of the pistol grip.

Anyways, don't take this the wrong way. The Canik TP9SA is a decent enough pistol.
 
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The decocker can be easily disabled for those of you who feel it could be a deal breaker. Takes about 5 minutes and a piece of coathanger.
 
There's a new Canik just now coming into the USA. It's a little smaller (people say glock 19 sized, but it has a 106mm Canadian legal barrel). It's called the TP9SF Elite and the decocker is gone. Americans are raving about it on YouTube .... maybe time will say it was just hype, but for now, most people seem to love it. It comes with upgraded sights already, but the fibre optic kind (not necessarily my thing). It's going for about $400 USD .... if it makes it into Canada, who knows what we would pay. Looks interesting anyways.

As for the price of the models already in the country, I've seen it for $560 with free shipping and that retailer sometimes has 8 - 12% off sales. Depending on the province you live in, you might only pay 5% tax (I won't get into that ... there are threads on that subject). So, you could be into a new one for about $500 plus tax with two mags. This is the SA model I'm talking about now.
 
Import said:
Well I might as well chime in....as it's my pistol up for grabs..
Firstly...they seem to be running 550$ out the door....and yes I have two extra mags bnib...and yes I had the sight upgraded...the factory sights are in my humble opinion, the pistols only weak point...
If you havn't handled or shot one, you will not understand the quality of the firearm...nothing on it is cheap, I have an ever changing collection of pistols, from Sti and Hk to Cz and sig...it stands up very well against them all...personally I find the trigger better than the ppq...way better than my Glock and just better than my sig...it's just my humble opinion...and I'm the one taking the loss...I do love naysayers on here dissing products that in some cases they have probably never held or shot...enjoy the rest of your day...
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Well, your particular case in point is also a normal problem with people. They purchase a firearm, do upgrades that suit them and expect to get their money back. Like it or not your dream firearm or upgraded firearm is a personal "event." Getting your money out of the custom tid bits is next to impossible. Good Luck.
 
Do a Google search or use whichever search engine suits you and take a look at how many sporting type firearms Turkey makes. A lot of socalled made in USA and other nations get parts made in Turkey and assemble them as well as mark them in their respective nations of manufacture. Same goes for the Philippines, Taiwan, Japan, Pakistan, China etc.

Making firearms of any sort isn't rocket science. Especially with CNC equipment and investment castings. Anyone that is even a bit competent can make a decent and reliable semi auto pistol or rifle in a basement workshop with very basic tools.

The Turkish tooling isn't basic by any means. They manufacture everything from cheap and dirty to high end firearms that rival any commercial offerings out there for reliable functioning and value.

Pakistan Ordnance Factory operates in a similar manner and their products range from excellent to just functional. POF manufactures a lot of ammunition for a lot of the world's militarys. Everything from 22rf up to huge cannon projectiles. They also manufacture air to air missiles, ship to air missiles etc. Most of the high tech stuff is made under Chinese license.

Turkey is in a similar situation. The thing is they not only manufacture under foreign license they manufacture a lot of their own designs witch are highly respected around the world.
 
bearhunter said:
Do a Google search or use whichever search engine suits you and take a look at how many sporting type firearms Turkey makes. A lot of socalled made in USA and other nations get parts made in Turkey and assemble them as well as mark them in their respective nations of manufacture. Same goes for the Philippines, Taiwan, Japan, Pakistan, China etc.

Making firearms of any sort isn't rocket science. Especially with CNC equipment and investment castings. Anyone that is even a bit competent can make a decent and reliable semi auto pistol or rifle in a basement workshop with very basic tools.

The Turkish tooling isn't basic by any means. They manufacture everything from cheap and dirty to high end firearms that rival any commercial offerings out there for reliable functioning and value.

Pakistan Ordnance Factory operates in a similar manner and their products range from excellent to just functional. POF manufactures a lot of ammunition for a lot of the world's militarys. Everything from 22rf up to huge cannon projectiles. They also manufacture air to air missiles, ship to air missiles etc. Most of the high tech stuff is made under Chinese license.

Turkey is in a similar situation. The thing is they not only manufacture under foreign license they manufacture a lot of their own designs witch are highly respected around the world.
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But but but if id doesn't say made in 'merica on it is pure junk. You have to have the blu angels and a flock of bald eagles do a fly by your house when you open a pistol for it to be any good.

Like another poster said if it was made by smith, colt, hk or similar it could sell for $800+ and people would gobble it up like it was the best thing since sliced bread.
 
hometownhero said:
But but but if id doesn't say made in 'merica on it is pure junk. You have to have the blu angels and a flock of bald eagles do a fly by your house when you open a pistol for it to be any good.

Like another poster said if it was made by smith, colt, hk or similar it could sell for $800+ and people would gobble it up like it was the best thing since sliced bread.
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I have a made in "Merica" FMK (Glock 19 like) pistol with 0 rounds that I will trade for a Canik TP9SA with very low to no rounds if anyone feels strongly about the nationality of their firearms. Straight across the board trade. Made in America for made in Turkey. I almost feel like I'm being taken advantage of here. :evil:
 
Epoxy7 said:
Well, let's see. Right now the price for the M&P9 range kit is: $630 comes with 3 mags. Includes Blade-Tech® Kydex® Holster, Blade-Tech® Double Magazine Pouch. Canik TP9SA kit is: $569 comes with 2 mags and a holster that has been reported to be pretty marginal.

The M&P9 comes with 3 sizes of backstraps. The Canik TP9SA doesn't have this option (one size fits all). The M&P comes with a Stainless steel slide that is either coated with Melonite or PVC (Police versions) coatings. The Canik has a regular steel slide with a Cerakote finish.

The M&P9 is made from better materials (stainless slide with melonite coating) and better more adjustable overall design (multiple back straps). The range kit comes with 3 mags, a good holster and mag holder. There are only two real negatives I have over it. 1) The trigger is about a pound heavier than most striker fired pistols it's competing against (plus it's not that smooth at first) . Like the Glock, you press the trigger prior to take down. 2) Accuracy is mediocre. Which could also be a product of the trigger. It's not a target pistol but still I would have hoped for better from an otherwise pretty good all around pistol.

The Canik TP9SA is a good modified copy of the Walther P99. It comes with 2 mags and a garbage holster. The TP9SA has a very nice trigger. Not as good as my PPQ but pretty close. Considering this pistol is a modified copy of the P99 which was the predessesor of the PPQ, this shouldn't be a surprise. It's well made with good fit. The finish is Cerakote. Not my favourite but it's ok. Accuracy was ok. Frankly I expected better. My PPQ shoots exceptionally well. The Canik shot better than the M&P9 but not by much at all. Again, I was unpleasantly surprised by this. I really expected more. I tried multiple 9mm rounds from various companies and in various weights for both the M&P9 and the TP9SA. The main negatives I have over the Canik are 1) The decocker. Good for disasembly but it can deactivate your trigger. This was a throw back from the double action where it makes sense and doesn't leave your pistol requiring the slide to be racked to work again. It takes a fair bit to press this and it's unlikely to have an issue, but still. It's something that can't be ignored. 2) Accuracy was ok but nothing great.

Value: The Canik TP9SA is supposed to be a well made "value" option of a high end firearm. Turkey can make some pretty good firearms and some of their factories have the various ISO 9000 ratings. In the USA this pistol is $355. In Canada it's $569. The M&P9 range kit in the USA is $538. In canada the M&P9 kit is $630. At this time, the clear value winner is the M&P9 range kit.

I would buy the M&P over the Canik anyday. In fact I did.
That being said I would spend the extra and get a PPQ or one of the other competitors that I mentioned to the PPQ.
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I have only shot the m&p9 on one occasion but noticed many of the things you mention here: tp9sa has a better trigger pull, reset and accuracy. For me, however, the gap between the two is miles wide. I felt the tp9sa beat the m&p9 by a very wide margin in those categories. Great to hear everyone's thoughts in this thread.
 
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