My 22 shoots 1/2" groups at 50 yards/meters all day! Really? Prove it!

Canadiankeeper said:
Nice, The only degree of difficulty for this is ponying up the cash to buy a rifle and find the match ammo it likes that can do this challenge.
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Basically. .22's are fussy. 20 groups shot, 3 in the 0.5's the rest 17/20 under 1/2" from my Annie 64 MSR, already challenge passed. Match ammo? Not strictly necessary to stay under 1/2" at 50 yards but if you want the tightest groups possible like 0.1s and 0.2s or going to 100 yards then yes, lot tested match ammo required. SK standard plus and Rifle Match shown here.

 
Canadiankeeper said:
Nice, The only degree of difficulty for this is ponying up the cash to buy a rifle and find the match ammo it likes that can do this challenge.
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There's more to it than just a good rifle and ammo. You still need to be able to shoot it!.Technique a decent optic, wind conditions, proper rest all comes into play. Dirty barrel can ruin your day. Some days I can shoot like a laser other days I go home early.
 
savagecanuck said:
There's more to it than just a good rifle and ammo. You still need to be able to shoot it!.Technique a decent optic, wind conditions, proper rest all comes into play. Dirty barrel can ruin your day. Some days I can shoot like a laser other days I go home early.
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JR Hartman said:
well, you still have to be a good enough shooter. :) You could put me in Lewis Hamiltons car and I sure aint going to win any races.
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First-

If you want to have fun while doing it yes, technically no... In the fine print it does not say what types of rests are allowed...
This seems to be a big "hunter only" kinda thing where you see them drop their rifles into a lead sled, strap it down, aiming the rifle looks like steering a boat. Then all they really do it pull the trigger...
So no, you don't have to be a good enough shooter. Just lock it in place with a big lead sled so you cant do anything to screw it up. (Don't get me started on this, I have no idea why 95% of the hunter only types do this... Locally at least...)

Second -
9 power or higher optic, on a solid bipod and rear bag should be able to slap rounds on top of rounds at 50 yards. (unless you are suffering addiction or other types of injury's/diseases that make you shake.)
I don't think the degree of difficulty is there, I think the difficult part of this is pairing the rifle to the ammo.
Anyone who visits this site, I would think books in enough trigger time to pass this easily if the rifle is capable and they have a calm day or are indoors.

Third-
"well I don't see you on the list" ... Correct, I'm not up there. I have only had savages and rugers for 22lr... None could make the list. I did have a CZ455 but it wouldn't co operate. Well I couldn't find ammo it liked...
I now have a 452 Varmint, I have done this with Eley Hi vel HP's and plan to get a really nice target with eley match on paper for the list... Mind you, I want to get her from tree rat hunter to mini precision rig...
Switching the stock out to boyd's, have a tacpro cheek riser waiting to be on also... Lastly an optic over 12 power. Come spring, I will paste some nice targets up for yall.

All I had to do was shell out the $$$

How many of you have shot under 1/2 inch at 200 yard ? I did, not with my rifle. A gentleman's rifle who is seriously into bench rest... Nice hand loads. Spend some big coin getting that going.

As much as I hate to say it, precision shooting is a pay to play sport. At least from a bench.
 
Canadiankeeper said:
Nice, The only degree of difficulty for this is ponying up the cash to buy a rifle and find the match ammo it likes that can do this challenge.
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While I agree in principle that quality gear and ammunition is required, the rifles don't shoot themselves. I failed this challenge twice yesterday with a capable rifle and match grade ammunition. I missed on the second attempt by one shot in the five groups and I am attributing that to my performance. I also think that trying to complete these challenges in the dead of winter is asking a lot of yourself, your ammunition and your equipment.
 
Here is my first attempt using SK Standard Plus ammo. I can't wait what my rifle would do with Eley Tenex or Lapua Center-X and better rest and/or bipod.

Rifle and rest used:
Remington 40X single Shot, Lilja thight bore 26'' barrel, S&B PMII 5-25x56mm Scope, HS PST-025 rifle stock,
Canjar trigge, Harris 6-9" bipod, cheap Caldwell rear bag

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Target with 5 groups:
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Smallest group of 5:
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Ammo used:
SK Standard Plus

Individual 5 groups results:
0.251", 0.303", 0.427", 0.233", 0,495''
Average dispersion 5 groups:
0,342''
 
Shooting the challenge is not difficult, at all?

Canadiankeeper said:
The only degree of difficulty for this is ponying up the cash to buy a rifle and find the match ammo it likes that can do this challenge.
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All that's needed is the right rifle and expensive ammo? Is that correct? Not even shooting skills?

Canadiankeeper said:
...no, you don't have to be a good enough shooter. ...

9 power or higher optic, on a solid bipod and rear bag should be able to slap rounds on top of rounds at 50 yards. (unless you are suffering addiction or other types of injury's/diseases that make you shake.)

I don't think the degree of difficulty is there, I think the difficult part of this is pairing the rifle to the ammo.

Anyone who visits this site, I would think books in enough trigger time to pass this easily if the rifle is capable and they have a calm day or are indoors.
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What kind of rifle will be enough to do the trick? What kind of ammo?

Canadiankeeper said:
I have only had savages and rugers for 22lr... None could make the list. I did have a CZ455 but it wouldn't co operate. Well I couldn't find ammo it liked...
I now have a 452 Varmint, I have done this with Eley Hi vel HP's and plan to get a really nice target with eley match on paper for the list... Mind you, I want to get her from tree rat hunter to mini precision rig...

All I had to do was shell out the $$$

As much as I hate to say it, precision shooting is a pay to play sport. At least from a bench.
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By golly. That's a lot of $$$ to shell out. A CZ 452 with a good bipod or rest, a 9X or more scope, some Eley HV or Match and "poof!" -- you've got a "mini precision rig," eh? Too bad that there wasn't that special ammo for that 455 or you'd have two of them now, for about $1000 or so each (rifle, bipod, scope) plus ammo. That's good news because alternative would seem to be that there are a lot more shooters suffering from addictions or have shaking injuries or diseases.
 
Nice shootin Frank, I admire the Remington 40X as well. It's on my dream list of rimfires to own.

It'll take some work to top that performance, I might suggest a solid front rest instead of the bipod. Ammo wise you'll have to lot test from the high end offerings of the 3 major manufacturers (Eley, RWS and Lapua) to find that special lot for your rifle. Unfortunately it is the nature of the beast that blindly ordering ammo from online suppliers will not guarantee what you end up with is either A) a good lot or B) suitable for your individual rifle
 
RabidM4U5 said:
Nice shootin Frank, I admire the Remington 40X as well. It's on my dream list of rimfires to own.

It'll take some work to top that performance, I might suggest a solid front rest instead of the bipod. Ammo wise you'll have to lot test from the high end offerings of the 3 major manufacturers (Eley, RWS and Lapua) to find that special lot for your rifle. Unfortunately it is the nature of the beast that blindly ordering ammo from online suppliers will not guarantee what you end up with is either A) a good lot or B) suitable for your individual rifle
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Yes as rabid suggests you can spend a pile on good match ammo only to find out it doesn't like it.I would look on rimfire central to see what the 40x guy's are using for ammo, but the lijla barrel will probably change things. Lucky guy to have a 40x. I'm jealous.
 
FrankCJ7 said:
Here is my first attempt using SK Standard Plus ammo. I can't wait what my rifle would do with Eley Tenex or Lapua Center-X and better rest and/or bipod.

Rifle and rest used:
Remington 40X single Shot, Lilja thight bore 26'' barrel, S&B PMII 5-25x56mm Scope, HS PST-025 rifle stock,
Canjar trigge, Harris 6-9" bipod, cheap Caldwell rear bag

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Target with 5 groups:
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Smallest group of 5:
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Ammo used:
SK Standard Plus

Individual 5 groups results:
0.251", 0.303", 0.427", 0.233", 0,495''
Average dispersion 5 groups:
0,342''
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Nice shooting FrankCJ7. I added you to the successful list.
 
Thanks everyone for the positive comments on the job I did with my good old Remington 40x. That rifle is unforgiving if you don't apply good principles of marksmanship. That's what I like about shooting and training with rimfire.


savagecanuck said:
Good job!I would think with that set up and better ammo it will probably be all .2s
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I wish I could try brenchrest setups like a Seb Rest or a rimfire dedicated setup (Hall or equivalent) but for the moment that particular rifle is my «trainer» for center fire bolt action, I take it out all the way to 300 yards using steel plates. I can’t wait to shoot Eley, RWS or Lapua ammo with it.

Rod B said:
Where are you shooting? That looks like an indoor range. I would love to have a 50m indoor range.
BTW those are some very nice groups.
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Rod B, I occasionally shoot at CRAFM (Club récréatif d’armes à feu de Montréal) indoor shooting range. It has ±10 50yards/m shooting lanes. I would say it’s more of a pistol oriented gun club but they have indoors 50 yards all year long which is great for rimfire practice, plus the staff is outstanding and their pro shop is always full of 22LR ammo (eley, Lapua & SK are rarely out of stock). During summer, I shoot rimfire and centerfire on a military shooting range.
Chilly807 said:
I agree. They say all things come to he who waits. I think that's just a crock of ****, I've been waiting for one to show up that's not priced out of reach for mere mortals.
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Are you talking 40x, Lilja bbl, or both ;)
For my Lilja rimfire barrel, I checked Lilja in-stock barrel inventory and clearance sales and as soon as I found what I was looking for (Lilja tight bore heavy varmint taper), I went through ATRS to get it. I guess it was a stroke of luck but I know how long it can be waiting for a US barrel maker (especially HS Precision, Krieger or Bartlein) but got my barrel in less than 2 months with ATRS and Lilja. Yes they are worth their weight in gold!
I got the Remington 40X for really cheap as the previous owner had it for free and didn’t want to re-barrel and have a new stock fitted. The first thing he told me was «this rifle shouldn’t be of any interest to you, it’s a Remington rifle, but not a centerfire rifle…».

savagecanuck said:
Yes as rabid suggests you can spend a pile on good match ammo only to find out it doesn't like it.I would look on rimfire central to see what the 40x guy's are using for ammo, but the lijla barrel will probably change things. Lucky guy to have a 40x. I'm jealous.
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I happen to have access to another Remington 40x, a really special Remy 40x (that I whish I could own). I’m pretty sure that it would shoot in the .200’’ all day long with the appropriate ammo. It’s a SAAMI Precision Mann Barrel I have at work. It was last used in the 80s for testing IVI rimfire ammunition before IVI was shut down and it's assets sold/transferred to SNC Lavalin. I think that if I provide the ammo, my bosses could let me test for accuracy with it. Needless to say I woudn’t take credit for the results! Barrel is an HS Precision (I have to confirm but pretty sure of that) 24 inch match barrel, 1.750’’ diameter at the chamber and first 5 inches or so, and then straight 1.250’’ all the way to the crown….and it gets clamped to a V-Block machine rest. If you guys are interested in knowing what quality 22lr the ammunition is actually doing accuracy wise regardless of the shooter, I could ask if I can have couple 5x5 shot groups shot from that test barrel and machine rest, human error would be removed from the equation!
 
FrankCJ7 said:
If you guys are interested in knowing what quality 22lr the ammunition is actually doing accuracy wise regardless of the shooter, I could ask if I can have couple 5x5 shot groups shot from that test barrel and machine rest, human error would be removed from the equation!
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Definitely interested in seeing what those results would be! That is one hog of a test barrel though, and yes should minimize barrel harmonics to see what just the ammo is really doing. I'd also be interested in seeing the experiment done with a sporter contour barrel to see the effects of harmonics and barrel whip. Could be real eye opening for some just how much dispersion is unrelated to shooter technique ;)
 
FrankCJ7 said:
I think that if I provide the ammo, my bosses could let me test for accuracy with it. Needless to say I woudn’t take credit for the results! Barrel is an HS Precision (I have to confirm but pretty sure of that) 24 inch match barrel, 1.750’’ diameter at the chamber and first 5 inches or so, and then straight 1.250’’ all the way to the crown….and it gets clamped to a V-Block machine rest. If you guys are interested in knowing what quality 22lr the ammunition is actually doing accuracy wise regardless of the shooter, I could ask if I can have couple 5x5 shot groups shot from that test barrel and machine rest, human error would be removed from the equation!
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That would be very intriguing to see, especially a comparison of a couple of oft-used types of ammunition -- say, something like SK Standard Plus or SK Rifle Match and Lapua X-Act or RWS R50. That would show the difference, big or small, between affordable entry level match ammo and the "really good" stuff.

RabidM4U5 said:
I'd also be interested in seeing the experiment done with a sporter contour barrel to see the effects of harmonics and barrel whip. Could be real eye opening for some just how much dispersion is unrelated to shooter technique ;)
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Perhaps shooters who insist that shooter technique plays a negligible role in shooting results (if there are any such riflemen) might find solace and confirmation in such a test. If a sporter barrel threw the POI willy nilly, as it were, over the POA that would be comforting and reassuring indeed.;) On the other hand, if the results revealed that a sporter barrel configuration can give good results then that would be one less argument in favour of equipment alone determining shooting consistency.
 
FrankCJ7 said:
I happen to have access to another Remington 40x, a really special Remy 40x (that I whish I could own). I’m pretty sure that it would shoot in the .200’’ all day long with the appropriate ammo. It’s a SAAMI Precision Mann Barrel I have at work. It was last used in the 80s for testing IVI rimfire ammunition before IVI was shut down and it's assets sold/transferred to SNC Lavalin. I think that if I provide the ammo, my bosses could let me test for accuracy with it. Needless to say I woudn’t take credit for the results! Barrel is an HS Precision (I have to confirm but pretty sure of that) 24 inch match barrel, 1.750’’ diameter at the chamber and first 5 inches or so, and then straight 1.250’’ all the way to the crown….and it gets clamped to a V-Block machine rest. If you guys are interested in knowing what quality 22lr the ammunition is actually doing accuracy wise regardless of the shooter, I could ask if I can have couple 5x5 shot groups shot from that test barrel and machine rest, human error would be removed from the equation!
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This may be a good starting point:
http://www.accurateshooter.com/guns-of-week/22lr-rimfire-ammo-comparison-test/
 
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