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hawk-i said:
No, the only way to fix this problem is to open the season to all others the same as the treaties allow the Indians....when game numbers plummet to near zero numbers, then something will have to be done and the Indians will be on board to make changes. Until then the treaties will get the vast majority of game animals and the other people will be doing the conservation.
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So you suggest we bring the moose population to near dessimation. Then someone will listen?????? Sounds like a really great idea rather than find some common ground and work together for the good of white , native hunters and the animal.


Sounds like a fine idea ...... really, come on , shake ur head man!
 
cdn1canhunt said:
So you suggest we bring the moose population to near dessimation. Then someone will listen?????? Sounds like a really great idea rather than find some common ground and work together for the good of white , native hunters and the animal.


Sounds like a fine idea ...... really, come on , shake ur head man!
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As extreme as the idea sounds, do you have a better way of getting the natives to willingly give up the right to hunt without seasons or bag limits? In fact some of them are so stubborn, that they would likely prefer to allow the game populations to be wiped out entirely, than make any concessions at all. I have actually heard natives state just that.
 
stubblejumper said:
As extreme as the idea sounds, do you have a better way of getting the natives to willingly give up the right to hunt without seasons or bag limits? In fact some of them are so stubborn, that they would likely prefer to allow the game populations to be wiped out entirely, than make any concessions at all. I have actually heard natives state just that.
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Not sure how to reply without a derogatory comment about Canada's native people and their behaviour. However I would like to believe that there are enough intelligent card carrying natives that can reason out that the dessimation of an animal population that they "depend on" would outweigh their treaty rights. If not....then they deserve the brush that paints them.
 
cdn1canhunt said:
Not sure how to reply without a derogatory comment about Canada's native people and their behaviour. However I would like to believe that there are enough intelligent card carrying natives that can reason out that the dessimation of an animal population that they "depend on" would outweigh their treaty rights. If not....then they deserve the brush that paints them.
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Even if half of the native people agreed to make concessions to save the game populations, how could you force the rest to comply? How could you make these concessions legally binding for all natives? Unless it applies to everyone, it won't work.
 
Lots of you guys write as if all Indians are the same. I know quite a few. Their hunting habits range from; don't hunt at all to what would be considered trophy hunting. By and by I don't think as a group that they take that much game.

I think a lot of guys are jealous.

None of this excuses trespassing.
 
stubblejumper said:
Even if half of the native people agreed to make concessions to save the game populations, how could you force the rest to comply? How could you make these concessions legally binding for all natives? Unless it applies to everyone, it won't work.
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Can the smart ones in the bunch impose their intellect on the whole???? is what I was trying to imply. If they don't it will be to their own detriment.
 
cdn1canhunt said:
Can the smart ones in the bunch impose their intellect on the whole???? is what I was trying to imply. If they don't it will be to their own detriment.
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Not trying to bust your balls, but can that be done in any demographic? I believe the objective answer to be "NO". Extremely short-term, possibly, but for any serious duration, the likelihood seems low.
 
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MiG25 said:
Lots of you guys write as if all Indians are the same. I know quite a few. Their hunting habits range from; don't hunt at all to what would be considered trophy hunting. By and by I don't think as a group that they take that much game.

I think a lot of guys are jealous.

None of this excuses trespassing.
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Not the least bit jealous, I don't hunt moose. But perhaps I might like to one day? or possibly my son would? I think that the native community would as well..." care takers of the land " that they claim to be. Perhaps they should figure out that part?.

Our government is a bunch of morons as well... as most have stated. Management will not work if only be imposed on 1/2 of the hunting community no matter creed, colour, heritage or other!

If you destroy the bud when you pick the apples.....soon there are no more apples! It's not a hard concept to understand.
And if the trees are under stress from drought. Pick fewer apples and water the trees !
 
I'm not sure why the subject keeps getting hashed out. Plain and simple this has been going on for years & years. Most of the time it isn't reported because those people understand it isn't going to make a difference anyway. People can complain all they want but in 20 yrs not a thing will have changed. That is guaranteed.
 
skidderman said:
I'm not sure why the subject keeps getting hashed out. Plain and simple this has been going on for years & years. Most of the time it isn't reported because those people understand it isn't going to make a difference anyway. People can complain all they want but in 20 yrs not a thing will have changed. That is guaranteed.
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20 yrs from now there will be far fewer animals/hunting opportunities for the rest of us...
 
skidderman said:
I'm not sure why the subject keeps getting hashed out. Plain and simple this has been going on for years & years. Most of the time it isn't reported because those people understand it isn't going to make a difference anyway. People can complain all they want but in 20 yrs not a thing will have changed. That is guaranteed.
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It clearly changed in Saskatchewan, where both sides sat down and agreed on a workable solution. There are lots of elk and moose here, and while First Nations folk can hunt at night they can't use lights.
 
And, I assume, human population growth and habitat encroachment has nothing to with the issue. I'm sure you all hit the nail on the head with your assumptions (you know which ones I mean, there are some level headed views, in this thread).

Canadian population
1976 - 23.5 million
1996 - 29.7 million (26% increase in 20 years)
2016 - 36.3 million (22% increase in 20 years)

Since, in this thread, the answer seems so obvious from those in the know, and proclaim that it is those exercising treaty rights/privileges as the demise of us all.......

Hypothesize; if one half of one percent of NEW Canadian population, become hunters, that is approximately 33,000 hunters, per year, extra. Does that have any impact on whether or not there are enough tags for non-treaty hunters? If you take that as an even split between the provinces and territories, each gets 2500+ new hunters/year. (according to a number of posters in this thread - NO) Does the total population growth, urban sprawl, added use of resources to support the extra population, and habitat encroachment, have no impact on declining wildlife populations?

Foreigners can still come to Canada (AFAIK) and pay their money and bag their trophy. Because we call this tourism, and it brings that awesome MONEY in, that is acceptable still? Should this door be closing to leave opportunity for Canadians? Just a thought.

Some truths in this thread.....
1) Until everyone is treated equally, and with dignity and respect, no fix is going to happen
2) Until root causes of wildlife population decline are pinpointed, no fix is going to happen

I still submit that indigenous peoples exercising the provisions of their treaties, is NOT the primary cause of disastrous declines in wildlife populations.
 
You guys are so funny. Seems some here still have little understanding of the relationship and agreements between the Crown and First Nations people. The treaties are business deals and nothing more. Equality doesnt even factor in it is totally irrelevant.

You understand that the land in Canada was traded to European colonizers for, among other things, the right of Indigenous to continue to hunt for sustenance? Seems like a pretty good deal for all Canadians. But yeah, lets make things equal. Lets give back 50% of the land, the jobs, the resources, the wealth. You sure you want to make things equal? That is never going to happen so you gotta get over it. Its done.
 
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Sunchild2071 said:
There is regulation. It's not total free-for-all. Can you provide your source identifying that the hunt by indigenous persons is un-regulated
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Well said. This thread stinks of racism. Obviously there are posters who make good points but aboriginal people are, unfourtunatly, a small minority of people. And firet nations people that hunt are a minority in a minority. To blame them for animal population decrease is unscientific. White people didn't kill the buffalo though. Market hunting killed the buffalo. Market hunting is banned now so that problem is solved. Habitat loss and the fact that canada is a harsh enviornment contribute more to low animal populations more than anything.

Also, the areas with the lowest animal populations are mostly in the greater golden horseshoe. Who would have thought that more people would cause less habitat and more harvesting? Algonquins aren't to blame for that.

Where i live there are plenty of things the algonquin get up to that they shouldn't. (Gill nets in ministry stocked lakes, over harvesting, out of season, hunting undersized females) but i know plenty of white people that do the same thing.
 
jkc said:
Along the same topic. I have to give praise to our Manitoba Premier for recently addressing the dangerous act of night hunting by indigenous people. He has taken a lot of flack for bringing up this topic. He has only said so in the interest of safety for ALL people. This has really gotten under the skin of the indigenous community. They say that the government is meddling in their business. The Chiefs had thought of dealing with this problem on their own terms. However, now that the government is involved, they want nothing to do with it. REALLY? Hahahahaha!
Hats off to Palister. Stir em up!
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Hypothetically, if you were hunting at night, in a rural area, far from anyones home, how dangerous would that be really? I would love to know how many people have been hurt or killed in that situation.

Seems to me that the common sense take would be the dangers posed are caused by poor individual judgement rather than a lack of blanket regulation.
 
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