The thing is that they really should still be $900 rifles. The Canadian dollar hasn't really taken that huge of a hit compared to other currencies and although they are great fun rifles a lot of people just can't justify dropping $1300 or more for one. For those people that really want a VZ pattern rifle for a reasonable price they'll have to wait a year or two until CSA starts pumping them out in large numbers again 'instead of mass producing scorpions for the US'.
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The thing is that they really should still be $900 rifles. The Canadian dollar hasn't really taken that huge of a hit compared to other currencies and although they are great fun rifles a lot of people just can't justify dropping $1300 or more for one. For those people that really want a VZ pattern rifle for a reasonable price they'll have to wait a year or two until CSA starts pumping them out in large numbers again 'instead of mass producing scorpions for the US'.
MJS
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Dollar has taken a pretty large drop considering we used to be almost par with the US,also factor in the cost of rising shipping,brokerage,wages,etc,prices of eveything has gone up.
I'm actually surprised these being Canadian made are not more expensive then they are.
The CSA rifles are going for the same prices as a CZ Right now,I doubt they will take a drop in price.
Suther
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Considering the last CSAs were selling for what, $1100+, I highly doubt they will be any cheaper than that in the future unless the Canadian dollar makes big gains (which its not going to in the short term) and likely more expensive. If you buy the Canadian made one, even if its a bit more expensive, at least that money is staying in the country to continue to circulate in the economy (some studies have suggested buying local has up to 5x the impact on the economy, because you buy local, that store/company pays their employees with that money, which their employees go spend on groceries, then the grocery store pays their employees who go spend it at the liquor store.... You get the point.)
MJS
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I think we're saying the exact same thing here,glad to see someone actually understands the ramifications of keeping cash within our borders if at all possible
westrifle_sks
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CSA are in hault because they run out of surplus parts. Not because of any other reason ( I have talked to CSA on the show)
Chrome lined barrel are not available right now and the ones that available are 275 dollars. That is very steap.
As to 900 dollars rifle I wish I could offer that. I wish I could come back to 10 year ago prices and sell for 650.00 the truth is prices are only going up around the world and for me to explain why we are higher in price is just too much time that I will spend ( I can spend this time on finishing this rifle)
People want to have this rifle cheaper that is why I offered without nitriding.
Any feedback is good
Al
Not trying to bash you at all WestRifle, your awesome for making these in Canada. Every source I've looked at says CSA VZ's are newly manufactured not surplus parts guns, unlike the CZ's. For the people on a tight budget they'll have to wait till CSA is done with there Scorpion run to get a close to $1000 dollar VZ. I can totally understand why you can't bring your prices down and I'm sure everyone would love to buy Canadian but it just can't happen for the tighter budget people.
Midnight Rider
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tagged for interest .
I'm basing my opinions solely on the pictures shown so I'm probably out to lunch with most of my suggestions. I'm assuming CNC milled, built completely from scratch and not supposed to be an exact VZ replica.
1. Switch to pinned barrels. If we're only going to stick with 7.62x39 only then pinned would reduce machining time for threading the receiver and barrel.
2. Mill straight through the "bump" around the magwell. On the side profile pictures, I noticed that there is a bumped up portion of the receiver. If its not critical to the structure of the receiver, save more machining time by programming it out. If it costs more to go through it, pull it closer to the pistol grip, just before trigger pin, to reduce amount of material your bit has to chew through. Also lighter or heavier.
3. Remove the lightening oval cut on rear sight. Reduce machining time and isn't found on original.
4. Remove front sight. Optics only model. Also a model where people can utilize their rail accessories with after market sights.
5. Remove sling ring by gas block. Reduce machining time and material cost. If people are planning to get no furniture models to add their own, probably not necessary.
That's all I can think of. Not getting to actually look at one makes it had to determine things. I'm probably out to lunch on most of these things, though.
Erickson5006
Regular
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- Bonnyville Alberta
I would easily pay that if it were 7.62x54R.
Erickson5006
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And then you would break into the entire Mosin-Nagant crowd who doesn't want to stock pile x39.
MJS
CGN Regular
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1."pinned barrels" are press fit,which is very time consuming in the assembly phase,just watch an Ak barrel install and you'll see wha I'm talking about.
2.the amount of time saved by removing those features would be pretty minimal,and visually ugly...basically just a big slab of material,not to mention the time has already spent to design these features,adding more man hours into removing them would cost more.
3.again the amount of time required to make that is not worth mentioning
4.this would add cost because someone would have to design a gas block,and the factory one does not interfere with any sights you would install on a railed bolt cover or top rail.
5.again that small loop is a minuscule cost time saver during machining,and where else would you attach a sling on these ?
I've ran my CZH in a bunch of diffrent configurations,and the only complaint I ever had was not having a left side bolt handle so I could keep a sight picture while changing mags.
Erickson5006
Regular
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- Bonnyville Alberta
7.62x25 pistol calibre carbine perhaps?
Porkchopsandwhich
CGN Regular
CZ and CSA are two different companies, CZ being the one making the EVO/scorpion pistol
The guns are getting delivered end of the month in 7.62x39 we are well past the random caliber suggestions part of this thread.
congrats Westrilfe on seeign this project throught, might pick one up when they are in stock.
The guns are getting delivered end of the month in 7.62x39 we are well past the random caliber suggestions part of this thread.
congrats Westrilfe on seeign this project throught, might pick one up when they are in stock.
870P
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
5.45x39 is available in Canada, albeit in limited quantities.
http://www.theammosource.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=1_108_459&products_id=2188
Anyway, I don't see the point in saving a few nickels and dimes by not having the barrel nitrided.
Syphen
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westrifle_sks
Expired Business Member
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- Vancouver
Ok we have the rifle tested and we decided to go to Chrome Barrel and go beck to original style VZ 58 18.6 inches pressed in barrel
Al
Al
westrifle_sks
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westrifle_sks
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Robert Nicholson
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p.Rundle
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Bruh if you guys made an M1 Carbine that used TT33 mags (not my idea, got from someone else in the milsurp forum) I would be all over a NR version. GIMME SUM DAT 
