***NEW to Canada***TYPE 81 7.62X39 SERVICE RIFLE**TAKING PREORDERS**NON-RESTRICTED

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And at any time will return the deposit/pre pay!! So that's not shady..... it's not TI fault or some reclassification that's the hold up.
It's the manufacturer that's fracking around and not building the guns.
 
They can't issue a new FRT unless it is a different rifle. The rifles being manufactured are identical to the prototype. The only way they were able to do it with the 858 was to declare that the Molon Labe edition, with it's unique markings was a different variant of the rifle. Had those rifles not had those special markings they would have cleared just fine like the last batch they brought in earlier last year.
 
icelink said:
Not shady at all TI is a great company! There's many guys on here including myself that have paid for pre orders and waited 3 years or longer.....I've done pre orders with nick before TI was an actual business he's a great guy and will never steer you wrong.....like they said....they can't update if there is nothing to update
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Exactly!
 
Mantis said:
They can't issue a new FRT unless it is a different rifle. The rifles being manufactured are identical to the prototype. The only way they were able to do it with the 858 was to declare that the Molon Labe edition, with it's unique markings was a different variant of the rifle. Had those rifles not had those special markings they would have cleared just fine like the last batch they brought in earlier last year.
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If the rifles make, manufacturer, model or action changes, a new parent frt is generated. They don't change the existing entry, they make a new entry from scratch.

So while the sample was classed one way, new guns coming in may be deemed prohibited under a different frt entry yet to be made if they meet the definition of full auto or converted auto. In that case they wouldn't change the existing NR/R entry, they would make a new parent entry with a different frt number.

It's an encyclopedia. Not a legal document.
 
fenceline said:
If the rifles make, manufacturer, model or action changes, a new parent frt is generated. They don't change the existing entry, they make a new entry from scratch.

So while the sample was classed one way, new guns coming in may be deemed prohibited under a different frt entry yet to be made if they meet the definition of full auto or converted auto. In that case they wouldn't change the existing NR/R entry, they would make a new parent entry with a different frt number.

It's an encyclopedia. Not a legal document.
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They are not changing the make, manufacturer, model or action. They are producing rifles that exactly match the prototype and therefore they cannot issue a new FRT even if they wanted to. You have not so much as the slightest shred of evidence to suggest that somehow these newly manufactured rifles are going to be somehow converted autos. They aren't. this is just typical CGN hysteria.
 
As some have said earlier that the run of the Canadian Type 81's may get piggybacked on a military order
If so someone may decide that a few missing parts and a weld here and there ?? Might be enough for our lab to not have a second look??
We have seen this before?? 858
 
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They are not changing the make, manufacturer, model or action. They are producing rifles that exactly match the prototype and therefore they cannot issue a new FRT even if they wanted to. You have not so much as the slightest shred of evidence to suggest that somehow these newly manufactured rifles are going to be somehow converted autos. They aren't. this is just typical CGN hysteria.
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Do you have the slightest shred of evidence that what's coming in is exactly the same as the now over a year old prototype?
 
Visleguy said:
Do you have the slightest shred of evidence that what's coming in is exactly the same as the now over a year old prototype?
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I have what TI has told us - that the rifles are being NEWLY MANUFACTURED semi-auto and that there will be no difference between the prototype and what is being produced. You on the other hand have no basis on which to contradict that.
 
GUB said:
As some have said earlier that the run of the Canadian Type 81's may get piggybacked on a military order
If so someone may decide that a few missing parts and a weld here and there ?? Might be enough for our lab to not have a second look??
We have seen this before?? 858
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Pure unsubstantiated speculation with no basis in fact or evidence.
 
Mantis said:
I have what TI has told us - that the rifles are being NEWLY MANUFACTURED semi-auto and that there will be no difference between the prototype and what is being produced. You on the other hand have no basis on which to contradict that.
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Well first off, I was not, and am not trying to contradict anything. I asked you to prove your statements that they will be exactly the same as the prototype. Your answer of "TI told us" isn't evidence, it's speculation from a venders post. A vendor I may remind you, who appears to be in the dark about these rifles as much as anyone else here. TI also said the rifles will be blued with stained wood yet the prototype is parkerized with painted wood. So no, you don't know.
 
Mantis said:
They are not changing the make, manufacturer, model or action. They are producing rifles that exactly match the prototype and therefore they cannot issue a new FRT even if they wanted to. You have not so much as the slightest shred of evidence to suggest that somehow these newly manufactured rifles are going to be somehow converted autos. They aren't. this is just typical CGN hysteria.
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If they lab says yhe batch that arrives is made from used parts that came from converted autos, they will call them prohib. A converted auto is a different type of action. They will then make up a new parent frt that says prohib.

See how thay works? That is what they did with the cz858. Added new entries. Not changing existing ones.

As for evidence, the other importers Type 81 sample was deemed prohib as a CA do to recycled parts. So ya, I do have evidence of that in the frt. It was submitted after TI's entry to this game.

1) The *Manufacturer's Name Here", Model *Type 81 variant here*, Receiver/Frame is considered to be comprised of four parts/components: a) the Front Trunnion/Rear Sight Block; b) the Ejector Block; c) the Rear Trunnion/Return Spring Catch; and, d) the stamped steel rectangular channel portion to which the other receiver/frame components are permanently affixed by rivet and/or weld. 2) For regulatory purposes, when the receiver/frame is further disassembled, the receiver/frame component known as the Front Trunion/Rear Sight Block, where the manufacturer information and serial number are found, is used to establish the description for the purpose of firearms registration. 3) When the receiver/frame is further disassembled and reduced to its four components, the component that bears the serial number, model and factory number, (the Front Trunnion/Rear Sight Block), will be considered the Receiver/Frame. 4) The classification of this firearm as a semi-automatic firearm is based on the presumption that none of the original four (4) receiver components were reused. This is what was understood to be the meaning of the claim by the manufacturer that the firearm is a "newly manufactured semi-automatic firearm". 5) The Criminal Code PART III, Section 84 para (c) definition - prohibited firearm means, "an automatic firearm, whether or not it has been altered to discharge only one projectile with one pressure of the trigger
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I mean.... HYSTERIA HYSTERIA!!!

Seriously though... back on target...

TI has said they are aware of this pitfall and are working within these parameters to avoid the same fate. They have posted in this thread they are aware, so hopefully the lab won't have any opportunity to ADD a converted auto prohib entry for the TI Type 81.

The type 81 TI sent to the lab has an FRT. Any gun coming in will be classed individually under that frt if it verifies as the same. If it doesn't they won't change the frt entry for the semi auto, they will add a new entry classed accordingly.
 
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bfiles said:
I don't help people who can't help themselves first. Typical "everyone gets a trophy" attitude!?!??!
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I honestly don't care enough to look but if you wanted to share with the rest of us I would have been interested. Or you can just be a dink about it and act like a 12 year old.

Thanks for the help :)
 
Codyg14 said:
I don't feel like checking, want to share?
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Codyg14 said:
I honestly don't care enough to look but if you wanted to share with the rest of us I would have been interested. Or you can just be a dink about it and act like a 12 year old.

Thanks for the help :)
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Post stupid replies like a dink and thats how it will be answered with
 
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