Op - The reason industrial components are plated is to increase the hardness of the surface. This is done by using hard metals such as nickel and chromium, so unless your brass or steel brushes have a higher UTS than say nickel, they wont do a fuggin' thing.
Im new to reloading ... Does this sound weird ??
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I have some 300wm Winchester cases here that are factory nickel plated. Plating is inside and out. Every surface.
If nickel plating reduces case volume enough to be a safety issue, then not cleaning the residue out of a several times fired case would also be an issue.
If nickel plating reduces case volume enough to be a safety issue, then not cleaning the residue out of a several times fired case would also be an issue.
It is. - dan
To the OP: Federal used to sell nickle plated 6mm Rem brass, look for some of that. 6mm Rem and 244 Rem are the same cartridge. - dan
Haha ... Iv had that thought as well. How many people just neck size and then load.
Trust me id like to find some. But the point is i want .244 head stamps on my ammo. I have factory 6mm ammo already. Whats cooler 6mm nickel ... Or .244 nickeld. I doubt you see the .244 stuff ever again.
Well lets see how i can explain this.
Whats harder lead or copper compared to steel ? Your wondering where im going with this. If lead or copper can take the rifeling out of a steel barrel that should show you that the hardbess off the metal doesnt affect it like you explain. Yes the brush will wear out faster. It will still remove particles. On a molecular level ... You might loose two part brass to the one part nickel. Or a grinding disk. It not made of a peticular metal thats harder than the one your grindin. It the texture of the surface. Even copper being soft. When you use a steel fitting brush on it the steel wears down. That goes to show that a soft metal can wear a harder material. I have been wrong before ... But usually when someone says i can do something ... Watch and see
. Think of it like this. Would you ram a brass brush up and down your steel barrel in a precision rifle for two hrs going through 10 brushes ? I think you see where this is going ...
And lets not forget the only reason to try and eliminate the nickel in the neck it to save the barrel life. Any particles of nickel caught on the lead will affect the longevity of your rifling more than just the copper. And most of you shot factory nickeled ammo and dont even worry about it ... So realistiaclly that is probably the least of my concerns ...
Be sure to come back with pics when you get it done.
Well ill have to pay to post picture but after all the naaaah saying
probably worth it. Ill put my procedure up when its done too.Im just hoping the plater can do what he says at this point
Well ill have to pay to post picture but after all the naaaah saying
Im just hoping the plater can do what he says at this point
why would you have to pay to post it?
I really don't see the big fuss everyone is making, it will either work or won't. If you start low and work up your gun isn't going to blow up or break. Kinda makes me want to build a homemade plating machine and try it myself lol.
Exactly !!! Yes some people have brought up some good points about possible issues. But the that was the point of this thread ... Hoping people could come up with serious issues. But frankly i agree with you. Going from rough brass as it is now to a finish product that im comfortable with and satifueied with the quality will be a process like any other. You take some procautions where they are needed. Like some othe earlier points mentioned primer pickets, neck sizing, internal size ... You take the appropriate percautions to deal with them. I think i even remember seeing a pretty decent load as far as full goes that only around 50,000.
How bout we take no precautions ... Just fly at it, no thought, compressed loads ... And after everything if this casing doesnt extract im gonna toss this gun in the pond. ����. No !!! But i do appretiate the concern and feed back !! FOR REAL ... Cuz it made me think about ever issue anyone can come up with. In this case ... Better to error on the side of caution.
How bout we take no precautions ... Just fly at it, no thought, compressed loads ... And after everything if this casing doesnt extract im gonna toss this gun in the pond. ����. No !!! But i do appretiate the concern and feed back !! FOR REAL ... Cuz it made me think about ever issue anyone can come up with. In this case ... Better to error on the side of caution.
Cuz im doing this off a phone and still haven figured out how to get pictures up ... Some say i need to pay for membership. �� Lol
Well lets see how i can explain this.
Whats harder lead or copper compared to steel ? Your wondering where im going with this. If lead or copper can take the rifeling out of a steel barrel that should show you that the hardbess off the metal doesnt affect it like you explain. Yes the brush will wear out faster. It will still remove particles. On a molecular level ... You might loose two part brass to the one part nickel. Or a grinding disk. It not made of a peticular metal thats harder than the one your grindin. It the texture of the surface. Even copper being soft. When you use a steel fitting brush on it the steel wears down. That goes to show that a soft metal can wear a harder material. I have been wrong before ... But usually when someone says i can do something ... Watch and see
Think of it like this. Would you ram a brass brush up and down your steel barrel in a precision rifle for two hrs going through 10 brushes ? I think you see where this is going ...
I'm all on board for plating kicks, and if PC wasn't so straightforward I'd try plating my cast (I still might, as this thread is at least inspirational) too.
To be fair though It isn't really lead, or copper that wears out bores. It's the gas propelling the ball that eats stuff. If you shot "straight" lead you would find your bore narrowing.
You won't make a "better" case by plating, only a prettier one. I've only the "at home" plating stuff I've done with my kid to go on, but case volume/dimensions will likely be less a concern than how quickly the plate disappears after a through trips through the dies.
"Whats harder lead or copper compared to steel ? Your wondering where im going with this. If lead or copper can take the rifeling out of a steel barrel that should show you that the hardbess off the metal doesnt affect it like you explain. Yes the brush will wear out faster. It will still remove particles. On a molecular level ... You might loose two part brass to the one part nickel. Or a grinding disk. It not made of a peticular metal thats harder than the one your grindin. It the texture of the surface. Even copper being soft. When you use a steel fitting brush on it the steel wears down. That goes to show that a soft metal can wear a harder material. I have been wrong before ... But usually when someone says i can do something ... Watch and see ."
Well lets see:
Barrel wear is caused by erosion. High temperature gas laden with combustion particles from the deflagration impinges on the surface. During barrel cleaning, these particles, including glass in the primers, can also cause wear if the barrel is stroked excessively. I'm guessing that some additional wear is caused by copper oxide on bullets , which is very hard.
You can also get wear from corrosion. This can come from certain types of primers, and from high concentration ammonia cleaners - called stress corrosion cracking in stainless steel.
Grinding discs are made of aluminum oxide particles held together by a binder. The aluminum oxide certainly is harder than steel, and nickel, and chromium... think "ceramic". The discs wear out because the particles separate from the binder, or fracture as glass does.
By all means, you should carry on with this exciting project. I'm sure there's lots of young shooters and reloaders that would be interested in the results of this effort. Please let the forum know how the results go - its time for action!
Well lets see:
Barrel wear is caused by erosion. High temperature gas laden with combustion particles from the deflagration impinges on the surface. During barrel cleaning, these particles, including glass in the primers, can also cause wear if the barrel is stroked excessively. I'm guessing that some additional wear is caused by copper oxide on bullets , which is very hard.
You can also get wear from corrosion. This can come from certain types of primers, and from high concentration ammonia cleaners - called stress corrosion cracking in stainless steel.
Grinding discs are made of aluminum oxide particles held together by a binder. The aluminum oxide certainly is harder than steel, and nickel, and chromium... think "ceramic". The discs wear out because the particles separate from the binder, or fracture as glass does.
By all means, you should carry on with this exciting project. I'm sure there's lots of young shooters and reloaders that would be interested in the results of this effort. Please let the forum know how the results go - its time for action!
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And buy all means im sure there will be someone out there that probably already started last night doing it at home. I font see this going away fast as the attention and curioustity i think. I kind of hope the users here keep this going with updates and progress of their own aswell. This is a form for information and knowledge sharing
Well lets see how i can explain this.
Whats harder lead or copper compared to steel ? Your wondering where im going with this. If lead or copper can take the rifeling out of a steel barrel that should show you that the hardbess off the metal doesnt affect it like you explain. Yes the brush will wear out faster. It will still remove particles. On a molecular level ... You might loose two part brass to the one part nickel. Or a grinding disk. It not made of a peticular metal thats harder than the one your grindin. It the texture of the surface. Even copper being soft. When you use a steel fitting brush on it the steel wears down. That goes to show that a soft metal can wear a harder material. I have been wrong before ... But usually when someone says i can do something ... Watch and see
Think of it like this. Would you ram a brass brush up and down your steel barrel in a precision rifle for two hrs going through 10 brushes ? I think you see where this is going ...
I thought you were getting some cases plated?
Having shiney silver cases has zero appeal for me and maybe even embarrassing but I`m interested in the process. Call it curioustity. The thread is getting rambly and apart from bragging about how good you are at getting things done - you haven't got anything done.
What's your plan? Do it yourself or getting a commercial plating business to do it.? Have you looked at the price for commercial plating - that would be a good place to start.
There are companies that do commercial plating of cartridge cases in the USA, try googling it and you`ll find some interesting reading. Your spell checker is broken.
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... Thanks !! Spelling and grammar isnt a strong spoint haha. Yes im going with a guy local as a first try. He says he wants to see brass first before he will give me a price. Im gonna do about tree cases in .35 rem so i can do a few different tests. Like im sure you read. Gitting a primer in is going to be the trickest part i think. So ill full length size after plating and see how that works in a chamber, see how the primmer goes, make a few light loads. And i is a trusted .35 of mine ... So were good. I will say im a little lost as to why everyone is so concerned with how fast things progress in my life tho. If your that ancy then by all means
have some fun do it yourself, and post some pictures. In the mean time, im not planning on plating 100 casing to find out its not gonna work either ... Ill do three. Maybe ill have them back next week, hard to say when my work schedule will permit it soooooo. Dont hold your breath. Ill post my post. If you have something constructive to offer ?????
