Current Ontario Safety Course Results Processing times?
- Thread starter kingstonsportshooter
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Someone needs to sue the Ont CFO. There is absolutely no reason why the student can't take the report with them when they leave the course.
If 1000 students are going through the process ever month, let's have 1000 people contacting the ombudsman to open complaints each month, and all of these doggedly pursuing their complaints. I'm sure the Ombd would love the extra weekly phone calls and emails.
If 1000 students are going through the process ever month, let's have 1000 people contacting the ombudsman to open complaints each month, and all of these doggedly pursuing their complaints. I'm sure the Ombd would love the extra weekly phone calls and emails.
The real reason as to why all documents must be sent to FSESO is that a number of years ago there were a number of instructors in the Toronto area who shall we say had poor moral character when it came to the training and testing. As a result of this an investigation was launched those instructors had their credentials revoked and criminal charges were laid and prosecuted. The results were that 900 students had to take the course again and be retested at no cost to themselves as a side note there are approx 100 plus student who think they have a license when in fact they do not.
The CFO came down hard on FSESO and from that point on all documents must be sent to the CFO for examination , scanning and mailing out also a mandatory attendance record is sent in also so they can call students and check on the instructors and undercover field audits are done too. So every instructor takes the hit for that from years ago.
The CFO came down hard on FSESO and from that point on all documents must be sent to the CFO for examination , scanning and mailing out also a mandatory attendance record is sent in also so they can call students and check on the instructors and undercover field audits are done too. So every instructor takes the hit for that from years ago.
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- Kingston, Ontario
Agreed that every instructor takes the hit because of a few bad instructors in the past, but then so does every student from then on forward. They obviously, investigated, charged and prosecuted the wrong-doers, so why penalize everyone else? I understand audits, attendance lists etc just to keep things above board.
Why not just the instructor hand out the test and results and submit it to the current system and email in instantly to rcmp and ontario gets its record too. If the course is of concern contact during the 28days waiting period notify the applicant and call them for a telephone interview. Why do we have to again sent the mail.
Plus my now restricted license requires my references call in rather than rcmp call them. It's advisable anyway as I'd imagine having rcmp officers playing telephone tag is money poorly spent. I mean once were licensed we have daily checks anyway why delay the process with inefficientcy.
Plus my now restricted license requires my references call in rather than rcmp call them. It's advisable anyway as I'd imagine having rcmp officers playing telephone tag is money poorly spent. I mean once were licensed we have daily checks anyway why delay the process with inefficientcy.
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Completed the CFSC November 27 2016. Instructor mailed in the course report to FSESO November 28. Received stamped copies in the mail from FSESO December 30 2016. They were stamped December 20 2016, and mailed back to me on December 23 2016. Waiting on CRFSC course reports now. Completed the CRFSC on December 11 2016...report mailed in December 12 2016....I reckon the turnaround time will be the same as the first report.
The time frame for the processing of paper-work is one thing that is going to take time no matter what the feelings are of any given applicant. The whole system regarding time-frames for processing an applicant who has successfully completed his/her course(s) is in dire need of making the time-frames more reasonable and shorter in duration. It seems like the successful applicants have done their part, and the instructors have done their part... So that leaves the processing system as the weak point in the chain... From an internal stand point they need to evaluate how, why and where the bottle-necking is taking place and fix that.
On another note, it would be really helpful if there was a site that posted the dates and times of courses that are offered over the year. So that younger and new shooters can pick a time and location that will fit their schedules. The larger urban settings have more courses offered over the year, and at more regular intervals. There needs to be some improved co-ordination on advising potential course attendees as to when, where and cost of such courses will be offered,
On another note, it would be really helpful if there was a site that posted the dates and times of courses that are offered over the year. So that younger and new shooters can pick a time and location that will fit their schedules. The larger urban settings have more courses offered over the year, and at more regular intervals. There needs to be some improved co-ordination on advising potential course attendees as to when, where and cost of such courses will be offered,
took CFSC on October 30th
took CRFSC on November 13th
received CFSC results on December 16th (7 weeks from course to results in-hand and able to submit)
have not received CRFSC results yet as of January 3rd (7+ weeks now.....hoping to get it this week)
Mailed application in November, tracked letter that was registered/required signature, was received by RCMP on November 28th. 28-day waiting period is now over.
Haven't done any interviews yet with me or references. As soon as I receive CRFSC results, I will call again to get the fax number and see if they want to do interview.
It's a disgrace that it takes 7 weeks to get a damn little blue stamp on a piece of paper.
took CRFSC on November 13th
received CFSC results on December 16th (7 weeks from course to results in-hand and able to submit)
have not received CRFSC results yet as of January 3rd (7+ weeks now.....hoping to get it this week)
Mailed application in November, tracked letter that was registered/required signature, was received by RCMP on November 28th. 28-day waiting period is now over.
Haven't done any interviews yet with me or references. As soon as I receive CRFSC results, I will call again to get the fax number and see if they want to do interview.
It's a disgrace that it takes 7 weeks to get a damn little blue stamp on a piece of paper.
UPDATE>>>>Just received stamped copy of my CRFSC from FSESO today. Took CRFSC December 11, report mailed in to FSESO on December 12, FSESO stamped it December 23 2016, FSESO mailed it back to me on December 28 and received it January 3 2017. Fairly quickly I believe for myself.
I think the Ontario CFO does not trust their instructors.
My upgrade to RPAL involved RCMP calls out to my references, but left a number to call in as well. That was a couple of years ago though.
That's a separate issue. What I was told by people in the system was that an instructor who was decertified for not following the course/testing standards taught a course using exams and forms that he still possessed, gave the students their copies as was the norm and threw the copies that were supposed to go to FSESO in the garbage. The authorities only found out about this when PAL applications started showing up in Miramichi with the decertified Instructor's number and a course date after his credentials were revoked. The explanation for sending all of the paperwork to FSESO without giving students a copy was to stop any future decertified instructors from committing the same type of fraud.
Wow this question is asked every single week and sometimes several times a day. People for your first time obtaining a PAL takes an average from start to the time it is in your hand up to 3 months. Yes some get it sooner and some get it later. The average is about 3 months.
That might be a record!
Mine was abut the same - did the course on Jan 21st, got the results back last week. Less than 3 weeks. Must be a slow time of year for them.
