Possible deadly defect linked to Remington 700

This has been a well known issue for years and a reason I own no Remington rifles.
Disengaging safety runs risk of discharging the firearm.
 
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What a crock of s h i t ! Remington be hit once again by lawyers against lawyers... The lawyers make the money.

Because Remington is so big and has produced such a volume of 700's for so long the lawyers are looking for money...

The first law suit they lost many years ago involved a rifle in Alaska that went bang when someone didn't want it to... the rifle had been altered and the trigger unsafely adjusted extremely light by someone after it had left the factory... Remington should not have lost but they did. Lawyers and courts like making the big guy pay.

The next law suit in which the "plaintiff" shot someone... The plaintiff said the gun went off when the safety was released. The plaintiff and the plaintiffs lawyers and Remington all could not make the rifle fire when the safety was released. It was also pointed out if the rifle had been pointed in a safe direction, no one would have been injured.

So Remington recalled every bolt action they had made with a safety that locks the bolt handle down and replaced free of charge all those triggers with new ones where the safety does not lock the bolt handle down... so no one has to take the safety off to remove a shell from the chamber...

Some one moaned about the original trigger was an unsafe design. (It isn't and millions of shooters prefer the original old trigger design)... but Remington's lawyers thought they should change the design to placate the idiots and so they did...

...and now more crap on 60 Minutes... it's a friggin circus.

I am sorry there are some who are duped by all this...

And for those who say they would never own or have never owned a Remington due to the trigger, that's good... Far too many incompetent 700 owners out there already.

A monkey can be trained to control the muzzle and that's really what any law suit should be looking at... Muzzle control is the single most important aspect of a loaded firearm.
 
medvedqc said:
Dennis,

always wondered why most of remington 700 owners are asking for a different trigger if that original is that good? othre reasons?

Phil
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The Walker trigger was good, or could be tweaked to be very good. The new X Mark Pro trigger isn't bad, it's pretty average for a modern day trigger, but it isn't comparable to a high end trigger, hence the upgrade.

I had a 2009 mfg 700 SPS youth in .243 that had a X Mark Pro trigger. It would fire when the safety was switched from safe to fire. The trigger was not altered from factory state and the rifle was pristine (it wasn't a maintenence or neglect issue). Lots of people called me a liar, but I am not one and I hope my reputation on this board is above that.

It was sent for warranty repair (this was before the recall) and the trigger was replaced.
 
Remington is insane for not changing out a part for few cents a rifle to stop this discharge issue. People losing their lives cuz of it. I'll take a custom Remington footprint action but not a factory one. I can't support that
 
Screw Remington. I'd never consider one of their guns, short of the military/LE production line. They're now a joke. 2 butchered pistol launches in a row, and they exist off of designs that are some 50 years old, and seem to make things worse now than they did 20 years ago. Ask anyone who's bought an express shotgun and also owns an old wingmaster.
 
cam1936 said:
The Walker trigger was good, or could be tweaked to be very good. The new X Mark Pro trigger isn't bad, it's pretty average for a modern day trigger, but it isn't comparable to a high end trigger, hence the upgrade.

I had a 2009 mfg 700 SPS youth in .243 that had a X Mark Pro trigger. It would fire when the safety was switched from safe to fire. The trigger was not altered from factory state and the rifle was pristine (it wasn't a maintenence or neglect issue). Lots of people called me a liar, but I am not one and I hope my reputation on this board is above that.

It was sent for warranty repair (this was before the recall) and the trigger was replaced.
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Three things.....

1- I went away from being a rem collector when the fit and finish dropped..... as well as model availabiliy... but after owning no less than 15 model 700's, I can honestly say I never had an issue.....

2- Cam, I consider you a good honest member and the protection of your reputation is not necessary here imop.... you got a dud and several people seem to have received a dud.....

3- I think there is truly an issue here, but I also think that it is very hard for us to separate the fly Shyte from the pepper because there were so many rem 700's sold.......
 
guntech said:
What a crock of s h i t ! Remington be hit once again by lawyers against lawyers... The lawyers make the money.

Because Remington is so big and has produced such a volume of 700's for so long the lawyers are looking for money...

The first law suit they lost many years ago involved a rifle in Alaska that went bang when someone didn't want it to... the rifle had been altered and the trigger unsafely adjusted extremely light by someone after it had left the factory... Remington should not have lost but they did. Lawyers and courts like making the big guy pay.

The next law suit in which the "plaintiff" shot someone... The plaintiff said the gun went off when the safety was released. The plaintiff and the plaintiffs lawyers and Remington all could not make the rifle fire when the safety was released. It was also pointed out if the rifle had been pointed in a safe direction, no one would have been injured.

So Remington recalled every bolt action they had made with a safety that locks the bolt handle down and replaced free of charge all those triggers with new ones where the safety does not lock the bolt handle down... so no one has to take the safety off to remove a shell from the chamber...

Some one moaned about the original trigger was an unsafe design. (It isn't and millions of shooters prefer the original old trigger design)... but Remington's lawyers thought they should change the design to placate the idiots and so they did...

...and now more crap on 60 Minutes... it's a friggin circus.

I am sorry there are some who are duped by all this...

And for those who say they would never own or have never owned a Remington due to the trigger, that's good... Far too many incompetent 700 owners out there already.

A monkey can be trained to control the muzzle and that's really what any law suit should be looking at... Muzzle control is the single most important aspect of a loaded firearm.
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gun tech nailed it. Remington 700's are NOT a dangerous rifle as a whole. I prefer their original trigger design and in many cases would take it over a lot of the high end after market stuff.

The entire 700 saga is a bunch of BS.

Sure, there's been a handful of duds, but that applies to just about anything.
 
Superbrad said:
Three things.....

1- I went away from being a rem collector when the fit and finish dropped..... as well as model availabiliy... but after owning no less than 15 model 700's, I can honestly say I never had an issue.....

2- Cam, I consider you a good honest member and the protection of your reputation is not necessary here imop.... you got a dud and several people seem to have received a dud.....

3- I think there is truly an issue here, but I also think that it is very hard for us to separate the fly Shyte from the pepper because there were so many rem 700's sold.......
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I agree with you there. There are bound to be some defects when you sell a few million of something. Guess the question is it a higher % than other companies?

Although a defective trigger is a danger, it is only deadly if one of the most basic rules of gun safety is ignored (never point a gun at something you don't wish to shoot.)

Even though I got a dud I think this is more a media sensation than anything else. I am concerned, but not sensationally concerned.
 
cam1936 said:
I agree with you there. There are bound to be some defects when you sell a few million of something. Guess the question is it a higher % than other companies?

Although a defective trigger is a danger, it is only deadly if one of the most basic rules of gun safety is ignored (never point a gun at something you don't wish to shoot.)

Even though I got a dud I think this is more a media sensation than anything else. I am concerned, but not sensationally concerned.
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Absolutely..... and I will go one step forward......

We need to remember that our "cousins" to the south have second amendment rights..... a recall or issue with a rifle down there, especially a hunting and sporting rifle to them is no different than Ford Explorer tires blowing up.

Here, it seems like a bigger deal than it needs to be....
 
Biggest lesson is Muzzle Control..
Pointing a Loaded Rifle at your baby brother then disengaging the safety, crazy..
 
medvedqc said:
Dennis,

always wondered why most of remington 700 owners are asking for a different trigger if that original is that good? othre reasons?

Phil
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The vast majority want to spend the money, thinking it is an upgrade... (as in what else can I do to my rifle?) in some cases it can be an upgrade but if one is worried because of all the hype it's way cheaper to have your 700 trigger worked on by a competent person... there are lots of us out there... and I have a huge clientele who are very happy with a factory trigger reworked crisp and light and perfectly safe for $50 or $60.
 
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