Possible deadly defect linked to Remington 700

cam1936 said:
I had a 2009 mfg 700 SPS youth in .243 that had a X Mark Pro trigger. It would fire when the safety was switched from safe to fire. The trigger was not altered from factory state and the rifle was pristine (it wasn't a maintenence or neglect issue). Lots of people called me a liar, but I am not one and I hope my reputation on this board is above that.

It was sent for warranty repair (this was before the recall) and the trigger was replaced.
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... and this is exactly what an intelligent owner should do with any firearm... check how it functions and if it functions properly... and if it doesn't get it repaired... quite simple.

The other thing is to maintain your rifle. The only 700 trigger failures I have had in my shop had nothing to do with design or the fault of Remington... they were all due to years of abuse and dirt... never cleaned. The last guy was complaining about Remington and I took his rifle apart in front of him and showed him exactly what was wrong and that it was his fault entirely. The last time it had been in a shop was 20 years ago for a scope. A few others were incorrectly adjusted after they were purchased.
 
albayo said:
I contacted Remington years ago about the recall and they haven't done a thing. They said they would contact me and I could send the gun in to fix the problem.
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So you have just ignored it all these years? I know the vast majority of recalls were perfectly fine, it was just done for the lawyers...

If anyone has a 700 trigger with the safety that locks the bolt handle down... that still is in recall and Remington will replace it under warranty... but they need you to contact them...

If you have any doubt about a Remington you have, contact Remington - they will advise you. They are not the bad guys here. They are doing everything they can to help you.
 
guntech said:
The vast majority want to spend the money, thinking it is an upgrade... (as in what else can I do to my rifle?) in some cases it can be an upgrade but if one is worried because of all the hype it's way cheaper to have your 700 trigger worked on by a competent person... there are lots of us out there... and I have a huge clientele who are very happy with a factory trigger reworked crisp and light and perfectly safe for $50 or $60.
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You have done 2 triggers for me. Old style. Love how crisp and light they are. I also prefer a bolt that stays locked with safety on.
 
TacticalTeacher said:
I have many Remmys and my #### has not fallen off (yet) :nest:

Cheers all! :wave:

Barney
:runaway:
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Oddly enough the same thing here... LoL.... this phoquing Remington 700 band wagon crap is just mob mentality and flogging a dead horse. I keep my 700's clean and well maintained and not once has my 700 ever had an unintended discharge, and even if it did I wouldn't be concerned about fallout because 1. muzzle control is my god, and 2. My trigger finger is my most important safety mechaism.
 
Purple shoulder said:
Yes they did and it blows me away. It's widely accepted that there are still 700's out there with faulty safteys and this is a way that people might find out about it and check into it but the mods lock it because they already know! Negligence.![/QUOTE]

Embellished yellow journalism circa 2009. Only a hermit sasquatch living under a rock near Vanderhoof BC does not yet know of this well reported factory recall in this age of the internet.
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Purple shoulder said:
Yes they did and it blows me away. It's widely accepted that there are still 700's out there with faulty safteys and this is a way that people might find out about it and check into it but the mods lock it because they already know! Negligence.!
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I don't accept your statement, "It's widely accepted that there are still 700's out there with faulty safteys"

The safeties that actually were faulty did not function correctly one day and then fail the next... they did not function correctly every time. Although the recall was over a series of serial numbers, not all that were recalled had the faulty parts... but those with faulty parts do not work properly (the safety does not lift the sear high enough off the trigger) and it is doubtful there are many out there unless very stupid people own them. Really - don't you check the function of your rifle before loading it... close the bolt, try the safety and trigger, take the safety off, did it hold? did it fail?... a few seconds test on any rifle.

I have seen more safety failures on Winchester Model 70's than any other make.
 
guntech said:
I don't accept your statement, "It's widely accepted that there are still 700's out there with faulty safteys"

The safeties that actually were faulty did not function correctly one day and then fail the next... they did not function correctly every time. Although the recall was over a series of serial numbers, not all that were recalled had the faulty parts... but those with faulty parts do not work properly (the safety does not lift the sear high enough off the trigger) and it is doubtful there are many out there unless very stupid people own them. Really - don't you check the function of your rifle before loading it... close the bolt, try the safety and trigger, take the safety off, did it hold? did it fail?... a few seconds test on any rifle.

I have seen more safety failures on Winchester Model 70's than any other make.
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Earlier Dennis you mentioned the Remington recall was on those model 700's that the safety locked the bolt handle down. What did Remington actually do or authorize to be done to correct that? The reason I ask is I have a custom item a model 700 action was used to make that I acquired acquired from a site member. On it, the safety keeps the bolt locked down. Reading this thread, I've tried a number of the scenarios mentioned in this thread to see if I could get the same failure occurrences. NADA. Repeatedly cocking and engaging & disengaging the safety, no problem. Similar 'playing' with it after subjecting it to cold 'deep freeze' conditions, no problem. And, at a more basic level, cocked and repeatedly trying the trigger, no malfunction. As such, with the paces I've put it through and considering the results I've experienced, I'm tempted to leave it well enough alone. Comments??
 
Johnn Peterson said:
Earlier Dennis you mentioned the Remington recall was on those model 700's that the safety locked the bolt handle down. What did Remington actually do or authorize to be done to correct that? The reason I ask is I have a custom item a model 700 action was used to make that I acquired acquired from a site member. On it, the safety keeps the bolt locked down. Reading this thread, I've tried a number of the scenarios mentioned in this thread to see if I could get the same failure occurrences. NADA. Repeatedly cocking and engaging & disengaging the safety, no problem. Similar 'playing' with it after subjecting it to cold 'deep freeze' conditions, no problem. And, at a more basic level, cocked and repeatedly trying the trigger, no malfunction. As such, with the paces I've put it through and considering the results I've experienced, I'm tempted to leave it well enough alone. Comments??
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There wasn't anything wrong with the triggers on that recall. It was done because lawyers argued it was an unsafe procedure that you had to disengage the safety to unload the chamber... so Remington said okay... we will recall all those triggers and no longer offer a bolt locking safety.

If it's working fine for you, and you want it, leave it alone.
 
It's worth saying "muzzle control" again. Any rifle could in theory surprise you any time it's loaded. I have a browning a-bolt that had trigger work done by a very competent smith and it decided to send one downrange as soon as the bolt locked down one day.
I've tried and tried and tried some more to get that to repeat and it just wont do it.
 
guntech said:
There wasn't anything wrong with the triggers on that recall. It was done because lawyers argued it was an unsafe procedure that you had to disengage the safety to unload the chamber... so Remington said okay... we will recall all those triggers and no longer offer a bolt locking safety.

If it's working fine for you, and you want it, leave it alone.
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Thanks Dennis. As I said, it seems to be functioning just fine for me so to that end, I'll leave well enough alone. Oh, it's a rifle you apparently did some work on for the original owner. I believe that you bedded both stocks I got with it and added sights and the barrel band.
 
So some other "fake news network" picked up a story and ran with it using a very poor expert.
In the heat of the moment he loaded his rifle and shot his brother. At some point he had intent. At some point the rifle was pointed at his brother and when the gun went off it became the gun's fault
Years to concoct his story . . . Yeah Right . . . and chickens have teeth!
Will the Clinton News Network be the next to pick up this story?
 
The "locked bolt safety" recall goes waaay back to the 600's as well. I kind of like that feature so never sent it in. Never had any issues with the 600 Hawk I had.
The "X-mark-pro" recall goes back to 2006? and had to do with the thread locker they used in the trigger group (allegedly) drying out and falling into the trigger/sear release. These guns never had the lock bolt safety. Sad thing is, the 2 I had were pretty lousy out of the box (adjustment did nothing for the pull) and got replaced with Timneys. When I got notification of the recall I sent the 2 trigger units into Gravel and got back 2 EXCELLENT trigger units. Adjustment worked and pull was as light and crisp as the Timneys almost. Good enough that I never would have replaced them had they worked like this out of the box that's for sure.
 
Superbrad said:
Absolutely..... and I will go one step forward......

We need to remember that our "cousins" to the south have second amendment rights..... a recall or issue with a rifle down there, especially a hunting and sporting rifle to them is no different than Ford Explorer tires blowing up.

Here, it seems like a bigger deal than it needs to be....
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I wonder if that's truly the case here...

Remington is a HUGE player in the industry, and certain elements of the media in the US loves to take a swipe at the industry every chance they get. The 2nd Amendment has been under siege for quite a while. If Remington were to face the full force of a class action suit over these rifles, it could quite conceivably bankrupt them, as well as their parent company - The Freedom Group.

If Remington goes down, the list that goes down with them is not short:

Remington
Bushmaster
Advanced Armament
Marlin Firearms
H & R Firearms
Dakota Arms
Para USA
Parker Gun
Tapco
Barnes Bullets

Are all owned by The Freedom Group.

Is there a problem with some of the 700 triggers? Sure.

Does it warrant wiping Remington off the corporate map, and all the collateral damage that would go along with it?

No.

Yet 60 Minutes, and several other outlets in the US, seem determined to incite as much damage as they can.
 
Bought an older 700 in great condition I thought at a gun show a few years ago. The trigger felt great when dry fired. I used it for deer a few times and never had a problem. I finally gave it to one of my sons. The next time we went hunting we were sitting on the porch and he took the safety off and it went bang. Only damage was a hole in the screen but needless to say it scared the crap out of us. At the first opportunity I took it apart and the PO had evidently "adjusted" the trigger to the point of almost no sear engagement. I guess that is why he sold it and why I was able to get for what was them a really attractive price. Anyway I put the trigger back into a safe operating level of sear engagement and gave it some pretty severe bump tests as well as testing the safety about an thousand times with no further issues. My son is still leary of the rifle though. I still like the older Remington trigger and Remington rifles in general but no longer own one.
 
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