Possible deadly defect linked to Remington 700

cdn shooter said:
It's worth saying "muzzle control" again. Any rifle could in theory surprise you any time it's loaded. I have a browning a-bolt that had trigger work done by a very competent smith and it decided to send one downrange as soon as the bolt locked down one day.
I've tried and tried and tried some more to get that to repeat and it just wont do it.
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I had a Mauser do the identical thing..........point the firearm in a safe direction. How many times do we need to hear that?
 
If you have a gun that doesn't work properly, get it fixed. How hard is that? All mechanical devices are made within a range of tolerances, and are subject to wear and failure. Swapping out a Remington trigger doesn't require a degree in engineering. Remington rifles are safe to own and use and always have been. But its the responsibility of the owner, to ensure his rifle is in good working order, and if he detects a problem, its also his responsibility not to use it, or allow it to be used, until the problem is addressed and resolved.

Of course this discussion deflects us from shining a light on the real problem, safe gun handling. Of all the safe handling rules you can follow, be it 4, 10, or 1000, the one that matters most is muzzle control. You can do everything else wrong, but a negligent discharge injures no one, provided the rifle is pointed in a safe direction. Fail to control the muzzle, and you might be tempted to blame others for your negligence, that results in the injury or death of another person.
 
reomack said:
Bought an older 700 in great condition I thought at a gun show a few years ago. The trigger felt great when dry fired. I used it for deer a few times and never had a problem. I finally gave it to one of my sons. The next time we went hunting we were sitting on the porch and he took the safety off and it went bang. Only damage was a hole in the screen but needless to say it scared the crap out of us. At the first opportunity I took it apart and the PO had evidently "adjusted" the trigger to the point of almost no sear engagement. I guess that is why he sold it and why I was able to get for what was them a really attractive price. Anyway I put the trigger back into a safe operating level of sear engagement and gave it some pretty severe bump tests as well as testing the safety about an thousand times with no further issues. My son is still leary of the rifle though. I still like the older Remington trigger and Remington rifles in general but no longer own one.
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This is a good example of what should be done too. Instead of blaming Remington, for what was obviously the fault of faulty trigger work, reomack checked out the trigger and found the culprit.

I have a 1979 BDL heavy barrel .308 that was used for silhouette shooting by its previous owner. Bedded stock and bottom metal and reworked trigger. I never have checked sear engagement on it and I really should.
 
AbLonewolf said:
I have read the recall information from Remington:

https://www.remington.com/support/safety-center/remington-model-700-and-model-seven-notice

Guntech: You seem to be "in the know" and I have a question for you...what do they exactly mean when they say excess "bonding" agent?

Thanx
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I don't know exactly what product Remington uses but it will be some type of thread locker, it could even be an epoxy for all I know. Apparently some triggers may have had an excessive amount applied at the factory.
 
reomack said:
Bought an older 700 in great condition I thought at a gun show a few years ago. The trigger felt great when dry fired. I used it for deer a few times and never had a problem. I finally gave it to one of my sons. The next time we went hunting we were sitting on the porch and he took the safety off and it went bang. Only damage was a hole in the screen but needless to say it scared the crap out of us. At the first opportunity I took it apart and the PO had evidently "adjusted" the trigger to the point of almost no sear engagement. I guess that is why he sold it and why I was able to get for what was them a really attractive price. Anyway I put the trigger back into a safe operating level of sear engagement and gave it some pretty severe bump tests as well as testing the safety about an thousand times with no further issues. My son is still leary of the rifle though. I still like the older Remington trigger and Remington rifles in general but no longer own one.
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That easily could be just a dirty trigger... oils, solvents and dirt that get into a trigger and left for a long time eventually dry up and can cause friction for the moving parts... one of the effects is the trigger may not move all the way to engage the sears fully and a malfunction can occur... typically cocked and the safety engaged... and someone pulls the trigger testing the safety function... the trigger moves under the sear which is held up by the safety... but the friction does not allow the trigger to return fully and when the safety is disengaged the rifle fires... then you try it all again but the movement of everything has broken some of the friction and the trigger does reset and you may not be able to make it malfunction again.

Or it could have been a finger on the trigger when the safety was released... I have seen guys unintentionally do that (on an empty chamber) right in my shop...
 
guntech said:
What a crock of s h i t ! Remington be hit once again by lawyers against lawyers... The lawyers make the money.

Because Remington is so big and has produced such a volume of 700's for so long the lawyers are looking for money...

The first law suit they lost many years ago involved a rifle in Alaska that went bang when someone didn't want it to... the rifle had been altered and the trigger unsafely adjusted extremely light by someone after it had left the factory... Remington should not have lost but they did. Lawyers and courts like making the big guy pay.

The next law suit in which the "plaintiff" shot someone... The plaintiff said the gun went off when the safety was released. The plaintiff and the plaintiffs lawyers and Remington all could not make the rifle fire when the safety was released. It was also pointed out if the rifle had been pointed in a safe direction, no one would have been injured.

So Remington recalled every bolt action they had made with a safety that locks the bolt handle down and replaced free of charge all those triggers with new ones where the safety does not lock the bolt handle down... so no one has to take the safety off to remove a shell from the chamber...

Some one moaned about the original trigger was an unsafe design. (It isn't and millions of shooters prefer the original old trigger design)... but Remington's lawyers thought they should change the design to placate the idiots and so they did...

...and now more crap on 60 Minutes... it's a friggin circus.

I am sorry there are some who are duped by all this...

And for those who say they would never own or have never owned a Remington due to the trigger, that's good... Far too many incompetent 700 owners out there already.

A monkey can be trained to control the muzzle and that's really what any law suit should be looking at... Muzzle control is the single most important aspect of a loaded firearm.
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So what about all of the videos and documented proof that these guns could in fact fire simply by switching from safe to fire? Take off the tinfoil hat, this was an issue that one of the techs from the factory brought to light and Remington failed to address. Its not that I am against Remington, I own several of their guns, its a fact that this was a problem.
 
Your last sentence sums it up ...this was a problem...

The recalls were done, it's all in the past and way over blown... today it is lawyers and the media flogging a dead horse
 
I am with Guntech and all the happy Remington owners out there.
In my shooting career, I have owned at least 120 Remington 700's, 600's and
all variants thereof. This represents hundreds of thousands of rounds fired.
Never had a faulty Walker trigger.
At present, I own 20 or so 700's. The only ones that have aftermarket triggers
are the competition rifles, where I want them down around 4 oz. Properly
adjusted, and kept clean and free of gummy oil, the Walker trigger is as good as
or better than most others out there. This is simply an attempt to destroy the
reputation of Remington by some personal interest group(s) Dave.
 
Ahhh, so that's what the recall is! I've owned a 700 for 30 plus years and never had an issue with it, so I didn't look into the recall. It has a beautiful trigger, and the bolt locks up nicely when the safety is on, just like my Husky. I wonder why they never had a recall? Oh yeah, and I always point both of them in a safe direction when unloading. :)
 
Brutus said:
Purple shoulder said:
Yes they did and it blows me away. It's widely accepted that there are still 700's out there with faulty safteys and this is a way that people might find out about it and check into it but the mods lock it because they already know! Negligence.![/QUOTE]

Embellished yellow journalism circa 2009. Only a hermit sasquatch living under a rock near Vanderhoof BC does not yet know of this well reported factory recall in this age of the internet.
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Actually bumped into him the other day - he knew, but his 700 had a Timney in it, so it was a non-issue for him, besides, he says he doesn't point his gun at stuff he isn't happy killing anyway. He's big on the four rules.
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Over the years I've had a small selection of a number of different makes. That started out with Lee Enfields, Mauser 98 based Parker Hales, Winchester model 70's, Husqvarnas, Schultz & Larsens, Marlins and lately, a pair of Wby Vanguard S2's. With Remingtons, I've only had/have the one I mentioned in previous posts. Why only one Remington 700 over the years?? Couldn't tell you. It wasn't by design, that's just the way 'things' turned out. Based on that/this one Remington, it seems as good as anything else on the market so far.
 
guntech said:
Your last sentence sums it up ...this was a problem...

The recalls were done, it's all in the past and way over blown... today it is lawyers and the media flogging a dead horse
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So we are suppose to just forget about the years that passed when the company knew it was and issue and people were getting hurt/killed, but the company refused to fix it? Oh wait, glad there eventually was a recall... that makes it better. I admit this is old news, but you know what, its sad people easily forget/ don't care...
 
North of 7 said:
So we are suppose to just forget about the years that passed when the company knew it was and issue and people were getting hurt/killed, but the company refused to fix it? Oh wait, glad there eventually was a recall... that makes it better. I admit this is old news, but you know what, its sad people easily forget/ don't care...
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People killed because of where the muzzle was pointed. Sorry but that basically is it... Why should unsafe gun handling be awarded with big dollars?

Remington can't fix what isn't broken and they certainly can't fix stupid which unfortunately is common.

It isn't about forgetting or not caring... it's now about flogging the dead horse... 60 posts... it's time to let it die a natural death...
 
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