ATRS modern hunter?

cr5 said:
I think the best way to get an accurate response would be to have a good idea of what you wanted to order then to call the shop and talk to them directly about substitution options and price discounts for no stock or whatever you wanted to install yourself.
I do agree with your earlier statement about it not seeming like you get a credit for the basic parts when you upgrade. It seems like when you upgrade to the proof barrel you pay the full amount without dropping the price of the stainless barrel they no longer need to supply. They may have corrected this since the last time I was on the site or maybe a proof barrel is a lot more expensive than I thought.
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I initially fealt the same about the PR barrel, so I inquired last year what it would cost to upgrade to a Proof later on. Cant remember exactly, but Rick quoted me $1400 or $1600 just for the barrel.

With that in mind, I think ATRS price for the upgraded barrel is steep, but in line with the costs associated.
 
P0WERWAGON said:
is it possible that the barrels are the wrong length? Colt Canada selected 15.7 inches as the best for the C8. almost all AR10 precision guns are 20, 24 inches. i know there are some good 16 and a couple 18. but maybe the 18.6 is at the wrong frequency.
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An interesting point. I personally do prefer 20 or 24" for an accuracy AR308 rifle. It seems to be right if you want to shoot off the shelf factory match ammo such as Federal Gold. But.. I also like the 1:11.25 twist rather than the 1:10 twist.

I would say that yes, it does make a difference. The common theory is that you can reload to make up for the lost velocity with a shorter barrel. That's not really true as the accuracy node on a shorter barrel is often close to that of the longer one. More powder or a different powder might give you more velocity but less accuracy. There are usually two obtainable accuracy nodes for velocity with the barrel. One higher and one lower. Sometimes you can't hit the higher one while remaining safe and the lower one may defeat the whole point with your reloading. More importantly, sometimes that accuracy node doesn't match up to that of off the shelf match ammo...

Long story short. Yes you are right it is something to consider that I believe is often overlooked. For 308, I like 20" and 24" for the above reasons.
 
cr5 said:
I think the best way to get an accurate response would be to have a good idea of what you wanted to order then to call the shop and talk to them directly about substitution options and price discounts for no stock or whatever you wanted to install yourself.
I do agree with your earlier statement about it not seeming like you get a credit for the basic parts when you upgrade. It seems like when you upgrade to the proof barrel you pay the full amount without dropping the price of the stainless barrel they no longer need to supply. They may have corrected this since the last time I was on the site or maybe a proof barrel is a lot more expensive than I thought.
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I checked the site before posting. It was still the same way. If that's the case then it's cheaper to just get the base model, sell off the parts you don't want and put on the parts you do. That way you get some money for those parts. An A2 stock is still decent and can get you a few dollars back, same with the barrel. Lots of guys doing budget build AR308 project rifles on the cheap using the DPMS LR308 gen1 as a base. So there would still be a market for those parts.
 
rally guy said:
Epoxy7 am I getting a drift that you might be considering aquirering a MV?
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Nope not planning on it. Right now it's an academic interest only. Also the 308 rifles interest me more than the 223/556. I like both but the AR308 rifles have always been a real interest of mine. Maybe some day if the right deal comes along.

Right now my main interest for a possible purchase is the NEA 102. It looks promising, but not enough is known. Plus there is still the wait for the final commercial non restricted FRT number. We could be in for some interesting times on the AR308/AR10 front.
 
onetwentyish said:
I initially fealt the same about the PR barrel, so I inquired last year what it would cost to upgrade to a Proof later on. Cant remember exactly, but Rick quoted me $1400 or $1600 just for the barrel.

With that in mind, I think ATRS price for the upgraded barrel is steep, but in line with the costs associated.
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Yeah I just called last week to see how much it would cost me for a new lighter barrel for my mh I was told around $1800 for the proof barrel and 1000-1100 I think for the all steel barrels.
 
Rstjean said:
Yeah I just called last week to see how much it would cost me for a new lighter barrel for my mh I was told around $1800 for the proof barrel and 1000-1100 I think for the all steel barrels.
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That's ridonculous, a Stainless barrel should cost around $600-$700. I had a custom non restricted barrel made for my ACR which was made from a match grade blank, turned down to the profile I requested, chambered, and barrel extension installed for under $600. My understanding is that the only difference the MH has is that the index pin is at 6:00 instead of 12:00 but other than that it's an AR barrel.
 
cr5 said:
That's ridonculous, a Stainless barrel should cost around $600-$700. I had a custom non restricted barrel made for my ACR which was made from a match grade blank, turned down to the profile I requested, chambered, and barrel extension installed for under $600. My understanding is that the only difference the MH has is that the index pin is at 6:00 instead of 12:00 but other than that it's an AR barrel.
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Wrong. It is at 12:00. I changed my barrel on mine.
 
mildcustom2 said:
Driller212 has changed his barrel on his MH. He would know better which position it's in. He put an R25 barrel in his MH.
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I ain't stupid :p

It is the correct way, otherwise I think I would have had some feeding problems lol. Feed ramps face towards the mag, blah blah blah. Love this forum and the bickering, life could become boring without it :)

And since it got ignored, I GOT GEN 3 PMAGS TO WORK IN MINE.
 
driller212 said:
Wrong. It is at 12:00. I changed my barrel on mine.
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Well that's good to know, maybe it was the MV I read had the pin on the bottom. That will make it even easier to make replacement barrels for the MH.
So which ATRS barrel did you start with what was your accuracy like with it compared to the R25 barrel?

Can you post a picture showing the difference between the two?
 
cr5 said:
Well that's good to know, maybe it was the MV I read had the pin on the bottom. That will make it even easier to make replacement barrels for the MH.
So which ATRS barrel did you start with what was your accuracy like with it compared to the R25 barrel?

Can you post a picture showing the difference between the two?
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As far as looks or groups? That's difficult to compare as I haven't done too much load testing on the .308 r25 barrel. But the best I have attained with the .308 has been around 1moa. And best with the 7mm 08 atrs barrel was definitely sub moa, but I didn't measure it. I know that's not a great answer. So far the atrs barrel had better accuracy, but I suspect with the right load the r25 barrel will do well. Like I always tell people at work, 99.9% of the time the accuracy is shooter limited and has nothing to do with the firearm.
 
driller212 said:
As far as looks or groups? That's difficult to compare as I haven't done too much load testing on the .308 r25 barrel. But the best I have attained with the .308 has been around 1moa. And best with the 7mm 08 atrs barrel was definitely sub moa, but I didn't measure it. I know that's not a great answer. So far the atrs barrel had better accuracy, but I suspect with the right load the r25 barrel will do well. Like I always tell people at work, 99.9% of the time the accuracy is shooter limited and has nothing to do with the firearm.
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So what's the difference between the two barrels? I thought I read on the ATRS forum that they did something to discourage being able to install an AR-10 barrel to avoid having people install restricted length barrels. Something about having to notch the receiver which would void your warranty.
 
cr5 said:
Well that's good to know, maybe it was the MV I read had the pin on the bottom. That will make it even easier to make replacement barrels for the MH.
So which ATRS barrel did you start with what was your accuracy like with it compared to the R25 barrel?

Can you post a picture showing the difference between the two?
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This^^^

Why are the owners on this forum unwilling to illustrate the MV/H disabled?

Note: I have purchased a custom AR from an individual/Machine Shop which has made MH barrels and he did not charge what I heard the ATRS pieces are.
 
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