ATRS modern hunter?

[cr5]

I'll take it, I got some hornady brass and a range out my back door

He found a guy with way more experience than me who's reports will also carry a lot more weight than mine would. He's just trying to work out the shipping costs as he lives in central AB and the other guy is in BC. Shipping will be a lot of money just to find out if it's user or rifle.
I may have a potential trade for one with a proof barrel, we'll see if a deal can be made then I'll be doing my own development and testing on one.

 

[rally guy]

Has anyone look into the possibility that de gas block is hitting the rail screwing up the barrel harmonic? I just got my MV and its close to the fortis!

 

[cr5]

Has anyone look into the possibility that de gas block is hitting the rail screwing up the barrel harmonic? I just got my MV and its close to the fortis!

Is it that tight? I've only shot a MH with the fortis but didn't really look that closely, would think that ATRS would look at it and make sure there was enough clearance to avoid contact.

 

[Epoxy7]

First paragraph response,
When I got my second AR-10 it was a full build from another member here. Matched Mega Arms upper/lower, Rainier Arms ultra-match barrel, Geissele trigger, yadda yadda yadda. Funny part is that it came with a JP enhanced bolt and a DPMS bolt and I had to send the JP bolt back for replacement and the DPMS one worked perfectly.

It can happen. I've seen CC BCG fail before. Lots and lots of rounds but they can fail. You're hedging your bets with the higher end stuff. But these are high stress areas. I did have my LR308 BCG fail with the extractor with not that many rounds in it. When I looked online, it was a well known issue with the extractor and the DPMS BCG. Most high round count AR15 users keep an extra BCG in their range bag. But that's mostly for CQB.

Second paragraph response
ATRS will substitute parts you supply if you tell them what you want when you order it. Onetwentyish did it with his MV.

That's good to know. What type of additional cost was that? Another option is just to get the one you want and have the notch milled into it. Keep the original one as a backup.

Third paragraph response
I don't question your credibility, It was you I PM'd prior to buying my first AR-10 for your advice and I'd do it again if I had questions about the AR-10 platform.

Forgot about that. I hope I was able to help out.

Lastly,
I don't have a lot of use for a non restricted 308 semi these days, I've gone back to being practical for hunting and set up a nice Rem 700 in 7-08 rather than lug around an expensive and heavy semi just because I can. I am seriously considering a MV though as I do a lot more fun shooting with the 223, the only thing holding me back is that I already own a NR ACR with a stainless 223 and 300BLK conversions and I doubt the MV will shoot any better than the ACR. Plus my ACR has been 100% reliable so far. Plus I've also got an AR180B-2 for when I want something lightweight.

I'm well past the justifying based on use. I remember at one time saying I only "needed" one rifle. That didn't work out the way I thought it was going to. You can never have too many!

 

[Epoxy7]

Is it that tight? I've only shot a MH with the fortis but didn't really look that closely, would think that ATRS would look at it and make sure there was enough clearance to avoid contact.

Yes, ATRS put out a notice a bit ago regarding creating more space due to the Fortis flexing and hitting the gas block on the MV. I seem to recall that the new ones have had the gas block trimmed to help prevent this.

 

[rally guy]

Yes, ATRS put out a notice a bit ago regarding creating more space due to the Fortis flexing and hitting the gas block on the MV. I seem to recall that the new ones have had the gas block trimmed to help prevent this.

Got mine yesterday and the gas block wasn't trimmed. But then again my handguard was change at the 11 hour, more so , at the day of shipping and they were rushing to change it on the friday before canada post shows to picup the gun. They did not make it and it went on monday, but that would explain why it was forgot. I think also it was talk about how it had to do with standardization of the gas block, having 4 diffrent barrel size and the gas block behing big enough for the bigger barrel so that they did not have to carry two diffrent gas block size, one for the light and medium and one for the proof and bull. Also I don't belive the Fortis was on there original plan and was added by customer demande .

Truthfully to me it's not a big deal, I did my own porting job on my sports car so this is not something I couldn't handle and as I live in N-B there is no way in hell I am sending it back to them for that. I just don't want to get my warranty void. I will probably just notch the inside of the rail after consulting ATRS.

 

[rally guy]

Is it that tight? I've only shot a MH with the fortis but didn't really look that closely, would think that ATRS would look at it and make sure there was enough clearance to avoid contact.

Yeah that's why I was asking before if that something people checked before. And if it's hitting while the bullet is exiting the barel I mean imo isn't there a chance it could screw up accuracy?

 

[cr5]

That's good to know. What type of additional cost was that? Another option is just to get the one you want and have the notch milled into it. Keep the original one as a backup.

Onetwentyish dropped off some different furniture for them to install instead of paying for stuff he would just change out anyway. He only lives around two hours drive from the shop so it wasn't much of an issue. Not so simple for people who live in other provinces though.

 

[alberta tactical rifle]

Got mine yesterday and the gas block wasn't trimmed. But then again my handguard was change at the 11 hour, more so , at the day of shipping and they were rushing to change it on the friday before canada post shows to picup the gun. They did not make it and it went on monday, but that would explain why it was forgot. I think also it was talk about how it had to do with standardization of the gas block, having 4 diffrent barrel size and the gas block behing big enough for the bigger barrel so that they did not have to carry two diffrent gas block size, one for the light and medium and one for the proof and bull. Also I don't belive the Fortis was on there original plan and was added by customer demande .

Truthfully to me it's not a big deal, I did my own porting job on my sports car so this is not something I couldn't handle and as I live in N-B there is no way in hell I am sending it back to them for that. I just don't want to get my warranty void. I will probably just notch the inside of the rail after consulting ATRS.

The gas block on your rifle IS the smaller sized part. We shaved .080" off the bottom of all of our MH gas blocks in order to give as much room between the Fortis rail and the gas block as possible.
The problem of the hand guard potentially touching gas block is ONLY applicable to the Fortis rail as it flex's quite a bit and with not much pressure.

 

[onetwentyish]

Onetwentyish dropped off some different furniture for them to install instead of paying for stuff he would just change out anyway. He only lives around two hours drive from the shop so it wasn't much of an issue. Not so simple for people who live in other provinces though.

Exactly.

You can supply your own
-stock
-grip
-rail
-reciever end plate
-muzzle device
-safeties
-extended mag release

Other things I plan on upgrading are Lantac NiB E-BCG in both my rifles, and possibly some battle arms dev forward take down pins. I also have plans for 2 drop in/bolt on parts that I am working with a machine shop on to have come to fruitation as a way of broadening the MH's customizational ability.

 

[rally guy]

The gas block on your rifle IS the smaller sized part. We shaved .080" off the bottom of all of our MH gas blocks in order to give as much room between the Fortis rail and the gas block as possible.
The problem of the hand guard potentially touching gas block is ONLY applicable to the Fortis rail as it flex's quite a bit and with not much pressure.

The fortis I have does not feel like it is flexing at all, I have also look at it more and come to the conclusion that I will shoot it first as I do not believe it will touch unless the barrel really jumps or rather vibrate up and down wen firing.

I am very happy and also very happy with the low weight !

 

[Epoxy7]

Onetwentyish dropped off some different furniture for them to install instead of paying for stuff he would just change out anyway. He only lives around two hours drive from the shop so it wasn't much of an issue. Not so simple for people who live in other provinces though.

On the website when ordering it seems like you don't get any credit off the upgrades for replacing the basic stuff. For instance if you go from the A2 stock to a PRS, you seem to pay the full retail PRS price? The A2 isn't worth a lot but it's close to $100 new. Do they take off the cost if you provide your own?

 

[onetwentyish]

On the website when ordering it seems like you don't get any credit off the upgrades for replacing the basic stuff. For instance if you go from the A2 stock to a PRS, you seem to pay the full retail PRS price? The A2 isn't worth a lot but it's close to $100 new. Do they take off the cost if you provide your own?

I provided my own stock and handguard, I got "free" cerakote on all the stainless bits on my Proof barrel which would have cost $75 otherwise.

 

[Epoxy7]

I provided my own stock and handguard, I got "free" cerakote on all the stainless bits on my Proof barrel which would have cost $75 otherwise.

Is the $75 free cerekoting open for anyone or is that just the friends and family discount?

I'm more interested in how that works for the ordinary purchaser. Also if not wanting the basic furniture gets a price reduction, especially if one provides their own furniture.

 

[rally guy]

Is the $75 free cerekoting open for anyone or is that just the friends and family discount?

I'm more interested in how that works for the ordinary purchaser. Also if not wanting the basic furniture gets a price reduction, especially if one provides their own furniture.

I ask for a mil spec buffer tube instead of the commercial since I had a mft stock so they provided me with a milspec tube at no cost without a stock at no cost but no reduction. I am happy with that. There accommodating!

 

[onetwentyish]

Is the $75 free cerekoting open for anyone or is that just the friends and family discount?

I'm more interested in how that works for the ordinary purchaser. Also if not wanting the basic furniture gets a price reduction, especially if one provides their own furniture.

$75 is for any order to do the shiney bits on the proof barrel and gas block.

Rick and I are hardly friends, and have butted heads on a couple issues when he miss-took my intentions, however we get along well enough to do business or have a good conversation while I wait for my rifles to get finished up.

 

[Epoxy7]

I ask for a mil spec buffer tube instead of the commercial since I had a mft stock so they provided me with a milspec tube at no cost without a stock at no cost but no reduction. I am happy with that. There accommodating!

Good call. I still don't know why DPMS insists on the commercial spec tube with their AR308 and parts packages. It's a real pain for carbine stock selection. You would think these days it should have died off.

 

[rally guy]

Good call. I still don't know why DPMS insists on the commercial spec tube with their AR308 and parts packages. It's a real pain for carbine stock selection. You would think these days it should have died off.

Probably just the sheer quantity of commercial buffer tube out there keeps the demand up, keeping up stock production, allowing dpms to keep there commercial package... but why keep it? I don't know.

 

[rally guy]

BTW great job guy's too often we se treads derailment end with a proverbial fist fight. Good to see you all on good terms with each other! Nothing shows more maturity then a stiff debate ending with a good hand shake!

 

[cr5]

Is the $75 free cerekoting open for anyone or is that just the friends and family discount?

I'm more interested in how that works for the ordinary purchaser. Also if not wanting the basic furniture gets a price reduction, especially if one provides their own furniture.

I think the best way to get an accurate response would be to have a good idea of what you wanted to order then to call the shop and talk to them directly about substitution options and price discounts for no stock or whatever you wanted to install yourself.
I do agree with your earlier statement about it not seeming like you get a credit for the basic parts when you upgrade. It seems like when you upgrade to the proof barrel you pay the full amount without dropping the price of the stainless barrel they no longer need to supply. They may have corrected this since the last time I was on the site or maybe a proof barrel is a lot more expensive than I thought.