My 22 shoots 1/2" groups at 50 yards/meters all day! Really? Prove it!

sorry for being so impolite,

sorry for being so impolite,

I just find it difficult for someone to just shoot the first shot and then use it as am aiming point, even with the very accurate 6ppc with 68 grain flat base bullets

and 6 windflags out to 100 and 2 upy downy (graham wind flags) in very calm conditions with a 45 power leopold or a 40 power match scope (3300 bucks) and a

1500 dollar seb neo polished one has to move the crosshair or dot ever so slightly in order to maintain a one hole grouping and it was quite difficult to see how you with your Caldwell set up could achieve this

also rimfire unless you select ammo you get 2 to 6 fliers in a box of 50 and your groups are WOW

as someone who can place a shot about 20 thousandths to the left when necessary (yes that is 2 hundreths of an inch for those who like math) it id difficult to believe

but thanks for not blowing a gasket on my inappropriate manner in which I was critical of your style,

if you were in alberta maybe we could get together and I rarely offer that as I usually charge 2502 a day for lessons, (and yes I took his class and taught tony boyer some things)

later

Jeff

minimouse said:
Re-read my post. I aim at the center of the paper, fire the first round, then aim at the hole made by that first round. Shots two, three, four, and five are made in that fashion. For the next group, I hold an inch or two lower, aim at the center of the paper, and do it all over again, repeating the procedure until five groups are fired. This isn't rocket science and I don't care what you think of my methods.

Rod has already determined that my target doesn't fit the rules of this particular thread, and, really, I didn't expect it to be accepted anyway. Nonetheless, it is the best five shot, five group target I've ever shot, and I am justifiably proud of it. Rod has my appreciation for starting this thread and for monitoring it as it goes along. Thanks Rod!
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minimouse said:
Re-read my post. I aim at the center of the paper, fire the first round, then aim at the hole made by that first round. Shots two, three, four, and five are made in that fashion. For the next group, I hold an inch or two lower, aim at the center of the paper, and do it all over again, repeating the procedure until five groups are fired. This isn't rocket science and I don't care what you think of my methods.

Rod has already determined that my target doesn't fit the rules of this particular thread, and, really, I didn't expect it to be accepted anyway. Nonetheless, it is the best five shot, five group target I've ever shot, and I am justifiably proud of it. Rod has my appreciation for starting this thread and for monitoring it as it goes along. Thanks Rod!
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Your shooting method is somewhat unorthodox. It also begs the question, if you initially hold on a blank paper and take a shot, how do you determine that your zero is the center of the resulting bullet hole? Your spatial awareness on your target paper must be impeccable. And why would you post the target if you didn't expect acceptance ?

I'm sure that with a sound target and recognizable aiming marks your groups would be even smaller !
 
Jeff, sorry if I sounded impolite myself. The target was shot as I described it, with Eley 10X, and on a day--that in my part of the country rarely comes 'round more than a few times a year--with a slight fog (or mist if you prefer) hanging over the ground. This meant heavy air and absolutely NO WIND (as I'm 50 miles north of Texas, no wind is as rare as a unicorn). I appreciate your offer, but as far as coming to Alberta--well, as we say around here, that's a fur stretch for a fella to travel. Thanks anyway.

Dryfire, my sighting-in shots confirmed that POA=POI on that rare, windless day. The BR-24 Leupold scope I use on that rifle has very thin crosshairs--so thin that they get "lost" on a conventional grid-style target. It is much easier to aim at plain white paper, place the crosshairs on a spot on that paper, fire a round, then try to place the next four rounds in that same hole. I knew before I posted my target that it was not "conventional" and might not be accepted. Nonetheless, it is the best five group, five shot target I've ever shot, and I am proud of it. Thanks to you and Jeff for your questions and your insights.
 
minimouse said:
Jeff, sorry if I sounded impolite myself. The target was shot as I described it, with Eley 10X, and on a day--that in my part of the country rarely comes 'round more than a few times a year--with a slight fog (or mist if you prefer) hanging over the ground. This meant heavy air and absolutely NO WIND (as I'm 50 miles north of Texas, no wind is as rare as a unicorn). I appreciate your offer, but as far as coming to Alberta--well, as we say around here, that's a fur stretch for a fella to travel. Thanks anyway.

Dryfire, my sighting-in shots confirmed that POA=POI on that rare, windless day. The BR-24 Leupold scope I use on that rifle has very thin crosshairs--so thin that they get "lost" on a conventional grid-style target. It is much easier to aim at plain white paper, place the crosshairs on a spot on that paper, fire a round, then try to place the next four rounds in that same hole. I knew before I posted my target that it was not "conventional" and might not be accepted. Nonetheless, it is the best five group, five shot target I've ever shot, and I am proud of it. Thanks to you and Jeff for your questions and your insights.
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I think in fairness to all participants in this thread and to its founder that it was not your unconventional shooting method that disqualified your target, but that it was clearly torn from a larger target which could have contained other impacts.
 
"Unconventional shooting method" is a nice way of putting it!
So how would your enjoyment differ if you sighted in on one piece of paper adjacent to the one on which you would commit your 5 groups to?
Part and parcel to the rules is proof and that entails putting your groups on one piece of plain paper.
Anything else is contrary to everyone else accepting the rules as printed.
But you have two options . . . start your own thread or comply with the current set of rules.
The only thing else I can say is "Good For You"!
 
dryfire said:
I think in fairness to all participants in this thread and to its founder that it was not your unconventional shooting method that disqualified your target, but that it was clearly torn from a larger target which could have contained other impacts.
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I have stated it over and over--the 3" x 7" piece of paper you see in my post was the entire target. My mistake for posting it in this thread.
 
horseman2 said:
"Unconventional shooting method" is a nice way of putting it!
So how would your enjoyment differ if you sighted in on one piece of paper adjacent to the one on which you would commit your 5 groups to?
Part and parcel to the rules is proof and that entails putting your groups on one piece of plain paper.
Anything else is contrary to everyone else accepting the rules as printed.
But you have two options . . . start your own thread or comply with the current set of rules.
The only thing else I can say is "Good For You"!
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Most of my enjoyment in life comes from doing things my way. As stated above, my mistake for posting my target in this thread.
 
I wasn't having the best day today (lost a couple goat kids at birth) so I thought I'd pull out My Anschutz M-SR and do some shooting to cheer me up. I bought it last fall and only fired 150 rounds before the days got shorter and the weather got bad. At the time I was using SK standard plus, and groups looked promising.

I didn't shoot much through the winter, but when I did it was all off hand practice. I've never really been much of a bench shooter, but last year I built myself a bench and started to practice with my CZ's before buying the Annie. A few times I was able to get 5 consecutive groups under a 1/2 inch with more than 1 CZ, but never the first 25 shots, and never on a target without any other holes in it... I was also too cheap to buy expensive ammo.

Anyways, Over the winter I did buy some (relatively) expensive ammo and this was my first time trying it. My day has gotten a whole lot better, as this it by far the best I've shot with a 22lr.

Rifle- Anschutz M-SR
Scope- Sightron SIII 8-32x56 LRMOA
front rest- home made out of scrap wood
rear rest- folded up towel
ammo- Lapua Center X


group #1- .35
group #2- .29
group #3- .10
group #4- .18
group #5- .29

Average group size- .242





 
Good shooting for sure, and this target is definitely a success. I'm not sure some of the stated group sizes are correct however, having shot and measured many myself, a few just don't "look" like the size printed beside them. Nothing that would make any of them over 1/2", to be sure, just maybe 0.3" or so off. Bean, would you mind providing the outside edge diameter of the smallest black ring? I just figured out how to get On Target running on my macbook with an emulator program. More for curiosities sake than anything, as I've said this target is still definitely successful.
 
Thanks guys! I built the front rest this morning from scraps I had laying around as I had left the Caldwell bag I was using out all winter... this is actually a big improvement over that other garbage.

Rabid- I thought some of them looked larger as well after looking at the picture. I went back and re-measured and got the same result. The outside diameter of the smallest circle (on the 4 smaller targets) is .56".
 
Thanks Bean, as a tradesman of 12 years, having spent my days measuring things groups 5 and 2 stated at 0.29" each, did not look equal in size to me. It ain't much, but here's what I got given your 0.56" ring measurement and a 0.204" hole size with the target software. You do need to measure groups from their widest point ;)





 
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