Remington 700 5R Gen 2 -OR- Winchester Model 70 Extreme Weather SS

Remington 700 5R Gen 2 -OR- Winchester Model 70 Extreme Weather SS

  • Remington 700 5R Gen 2

    Votes: 50 75.8%

  • Winchester Model 70 Extreme Weather SS

    Votes: 16 24.2%
  • Total voters
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Price is not an issue and you want as accurate and reliable a rifle as possible. Your intention is a hunting and target rifle you can learn to shoot at extended ranges. You have your mind made up for .300 WinMag. Either way, you will likely upgrade the trigger. A last minor but legitimate consideration, in a SHTF, WROL, grid-down scenario, which will keep running longer? What would you pick, and why?

Edit: To show my thinking

Points for Model 70:
Claw extractor
CRF
One piece bolt
More solid recoil lug
Reputedly better quality control

Points for 700:
Thicker barrel
Aftermarket support
5R Rifling
More locking lug surfaces
Already cerakoted
Two front swivels (very minor)
 
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Remington gets the nod because of all the aftermarket support like triggers and stocks/chassis. Either is fine for hunting, and I actually prefer the Winnie for that and the 700 for target... just buy both.
 
I just want to run down my thinking, see if I'm misleading myself at all:

Points for Model 70:
Claw extractor
CRF
One piece bolt
More solid recoil lug
Reputedly better quality control

Points for 700:
Thicker barrel
Aftermarket support
5R Rifling
More locking lug surfaces
Already cerakoted
Two front swivels (very minor)
 
Yail Bloor said:
I just want to run down my thinking, see if I'm misleading myself at all:

Points for Model 70:
Claw extractor
CRF
One piece bolt
More solid recoil lug
Reputedly better quality control

Points for 700:
Thicker barrel
Aftermarket support
5R Rifling
More locking lug surfaces
Already cerakoted
Two front swivels (very minor)
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The recoil lug better be more solid as it is integral to the action. Action is more then a threaded pipe. The fn made m70's are way ahead of what was being shipped made in Usa.
 
Right, but the 700 recoil lug is not machined into the action correct? This means the Model 70 theoretically more rigid in that regard and is better for bedding purposes as well?
 
Yail Bloor said:
Right, but the 700 recoil lug is not machined into the action correct? This means the Model 70 theoretically more rigid in that regard and is better for bedding purposes as well?
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Correct. The 700 uses a separate lug. You can get thicker aftermarket ones and aftermarket are machined flat. The m70 action is a pretty thick chunk of steel unlike the rem. Also 3 position safety.
 
Got a gen 1 5r in 308, absoultly love it use it both for hunting and target practice. Consistently sub moa with factory match, stock trigger is nice.
 
hometownhero said:
Correct. The 700 uses a separate lug. You can get thicker aftermarket ones and aftermarket are machined flat. The m70 action is a pretty thick chunk of steel unlike the rem. Also 3 position safety.
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I've seen those aftermarket recoil lugs at Badger Ordnance. How does that work, looks like the barrel needs to be removed to install them, I'm guessing that requires a gunsmith? I'm thinking the stock would have to be modified as well?

I'm pretty much sold on the Model 70 really, but there is SO MUCH more information out there about the 700 and I can't find nearly as many proponents of the M70. Every time I think I've made up my mind something makes me think "Hey, are you sure you don't want the 700?" My only turn offs for the M70 are the thinner barrel profile, lack of aftermarket options and what I have heard about the 700 locking up stronger.

When I said price isn't an issue, that's because I'm willing to eat Ramen to get the rifle I really want, but I certainly can't afford both in the foreseeable future.
 
There are aftermarket stocks for both, triggers, any competent smith can rebarrel. Remington had another recall recently. There is more info about the 700 because everyone and their dog works on one.

To install a new recoil lug you need to take the barrel off and have it reheadspaced so you will need a reamer. While the barrel is off might as well screw on a good aftermarket barrel and get the action trued and lugs lapped.
 
Completely different rifles so apples to oranges in this comparison.
The Remmy is a great rifle and generally their varmint/target/LE rifles are of excellent quality. I'm still confused where all the Remington quality issues are?? I've had/have several and have yet to see an issue.
That being said, I prefer the M70 CRF action and the FN rifles were top notch quality with very nice fit and finish. I own one M70 and it's a heavy barrel .308 that shoots absolutely incredible for a bone stock factory rifle... Best I've had.

If your going to do any target shooting of any amount in .300 win mag, you'll want a heavy barrel something. That Extreme Weather is a nice rifle, but it's a hunting rifle.....will beat you up target shooting.
 
I have a couple m700's and clones, and, have a fnM70 that i rebarrelled with a heavy tube in a heavy caliber.
They both shoot, more parts for M700, but haven't needed parts for M70. Factory trigger on M70 is 'hunting' pull weight, which is fine cause thats what its used for - but still shoots great on paper.
Having said all that, the M700's shoot, but that may be more barrel than anything - but the M70 is , well, imho much more "refined" of an action and slickly smooth....it shoots too, but again, neither have factory barrels.
No jams or FTF on either, no issues in cold weather on either.
Go cycle the actions on both and choose which one you like!
 
chrismc said:
M70 is 'hunting' pull weight, which is fine cause thats what its used for !
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My supergrade that I got 2 years ago the trigger was less then 2 pounds out of the box. Felt like my custom savage that has a 1 pound trigger. Had to make it heavier as with gloves you could fire it without knowing. It was however awesome at the bench.
 
Remington 700 5R Gen 2 all day. You're about to tumble down a very, very deep rabbit hole... Enjoy and have fun!!

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Sorry to bust your bubble guys, get serious and get a Tikka, out shoot both of them, hands down. The Tikka's are made straight and made right the first time, don't NEED all those after market items to get it right. I have had many of all three of them, and Tikka is consistently a better firearm, period. Enjoy. Dave & The Girls
 
The Golden Girls said:
Sorry to bust your bubble guys, get serious and get a Tikka, out shoot both of them, hands down. The Tikka's are made straight and made right the first time, don't NEED all those after market items to get it right. I have had many of all three of them, and Tikka is consistently a better firearm, period. Enjoy. Dave & The Girls
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Tikka wasn't one of the choices, but thanks for your suggestion.
 
The Golden Girls said:
Sorry to bust your bubble guys, get serious and get a Tikka, out shoot both of them, hands down. The Tikka's are made straight and made right the first time, don't NEED all those after market items to get it right. I have had many of all three of them, and Tikka is consistently a better firearm, period. Enjoy. Dave & The Girls
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It appears most professional shooters disagree. I wonder why there aren't more Tikkas in top level PRS.

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