The Great Survival Rifle / Pack Rifle Experiment of 2016/17

need to try a lot of ammo best group i dind with my takedown is 2 each group at 75mm and with a 60$ scope on it the best ammo that my takedown like are CCI mini mag , Remington gold bullet and some Aguila SuperExtra those are the best at the moment i try some Eley club , selier bellot , blazer some CCI stinger , CCI velocitor , Aguila standars try federal champion pack , i stile need to try american eagle , laupas and mush more try evend german .22lr ammo and there not the best
 
First let me say great thread I really enjoyed reading it. I have the same ruger takedown that I picked up about a year and a half ago when I got board with other hobbies and decided to get back into shooting. I researched the web quite a bit as I wanted to scope the takedown but still have it be useful as a survival rifle and this is what I came up with.



UTG bugbuster 3-9x32 with AO. At only 8 1/2" it's small enough that the rifle still fits nicely into the bag for protection and for $125 it includes quick disconnect rings which DO hold zero when re-installed but it can be removed in a couple seconds if desired. You need a new rail as the supplied ruger one does not have enough slots to fit the short scope. I went with the utg tactical shoot through rail and when the scopes removed I can JUST see the iron sights. My humble opinion its a perfect match for the takedown. I was a bit wary of a brand I hadn't heard much about but after reading the reviews gave it a chance and glad I did. Very accurate and seems to be build tough as can be. Guys are using them on .308 AR's and like them. Hard to find up here in shops which sucked but you can get it online from a company that starts with an A that has free shipping and they also carry the rail for $15.

If you want head shots on small game to fill the tummy this will do it at a lot farther the 25m.
 
wayupnorth said:
im not gonna like to you, shooting all 4 of these side by side over this last month i prefer the feel of the Ruger by far to the others.
i think of lot of it has to do with the Papoose and the AR7 not having anything to grab onto under the barrel.
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wayupnorth said:
well, im back from the range.
just spent 3 hours out there shooting the AR7 and the Papoose scoped @50m and 100m.

im felling very let down.
i dont know if im just spoiled from shooting some really nice guns last couple years or if im just having a awful day behind the gun but the targets look like i went at them with a shotgun not a scoped 22.

maybe these pack guns just are not meant to be shot @50 and @100 meters?

i can say without a doubt that i would never shoot small game past 25m let alone out to 50m and i would never shoot a 22 @100m.
my hold over for the 100m was like 12" over the target!!!

i dont know.
feeling a little disheartened after 3 hours shooting.
it was -10 with a slight breeze.... what would you guys think is acceptable for a scoped 22 @50m and @100m for group sizes with bulk ammo????
2"?
10"?
minute of 10"x12" piece of paper???

just sat back and looked at the targets again.
take off the odd flyer and they are shooting 2 1/2" to 3" groups @50m id estimate.
ill put them into the measuring program later tonight when im not feeling so blue about the shoot.

im thinking that maybe im just spoiled with the last couple years only shooting CZ452 and Custom 10/22's and tricked out with big glass on them.
maybe this is all these guns can do, they are pack guns.
i for some reason just imagined that my open site shooting @22m would be about what i could expect @50m with optics on.
but its not, at least not for the AR7 and the Papoose.

tomorrow im taking the Ruger and the little badger out to test them.
i think im also gonna take out my CZ or my big Dlask 10/22 and shoot them as well.
at least that will tell me if its me or the guns, right?

hell its not like im getting younger, eyes dont get better with age!
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First-off, I have to applaud your enthusiasm...and thank you for the effort/expense of putting together a review/report like this. A labor of love, but you've stuck with it too. Clearly, I'm not cut from the same cloth because even though I'm only a few years older than you...any temps below about 5C and I find indoor things to do. lol I justify that by mostly making them shooting/fishing related though. Anyhow, good job..and thanks for the interesting read.

I think you've probably already answered your own question, but, I know from experience that good fit, an ammo the gun likes, a good scope, a good hold, a great trigger all play HUGE parts in accuracy. Semis don't typically have good triggers, 22s are typically (very) ammo fussy, all semis I've used prefer standard velocity ammo... Bottom line, I honestly think there are several factors at play with your results. Cold temps are also a factor, as is even a SLIGHT breeze if you're trying to stretch things out with a 22. I'd take another crack at it if I were you, only this time use a steady rest, have a few varieties of standard vel. ammo on hand..and see what happens. With the semis I've owned (and tried)..they'd all shoot one of these very decently; CCI Standard Velocity / Federal Gold Medal Target / SK Standard

As for what to expect? I know nothing about those AR7s, but the other three should get within about 1-1/4" at 50 yards using one of those 3 ammo types. I'd think the Marlin could do a little better still.
 
3 hours well spent.
beautiful northern day, blue skies and rather nice out, bit of wind but well within parameters for a leisure shoot.

took the Ruger and the Lil' Badger out and i took the CZ452 out as well just to make sure im not going crazy.

the CZ won.
hahahahahaha!

todays testing was a lot better.
there is a clear winner of the 4 guns - by a BIG margin - let there be no mistake about it.

I have to go through all the pics of the targets and run them through the measuring program and then ill make up the final write up and add it to the reserved spot at the front of this thread.

say a day or 2?

oh, im knocking the 100m shoot off the test, i didnt even bother with it today with the ones i took out.
 
A day or two!!!
I'm sitting here with my credit card in my hand!
Seriously though, doesn't sound difficult to pickthe winner but I'll wait patiently. Or pretend to anyway.
Thanks again for this!
 
Thank you for the extremely informative thread and all the work you've done in testing these four rifles.

I have three of the rifles you've tested. The 10-22 T/D, Henry AR-7 and the Chiappa Little Badger. I find that the little Badger gets the most field time as I take it with me for any small game that might cross my path while big game hunting. I installed a Bushnell Tactical red dot sight. Much better than the factory sights. I found the plastic front sight way too thick and not very secure. The Little Badger fits perfectly into the hydration pocket of my hunting daypack and adds hardly any weight.

BTW, an ESEE Izula or Candiru knife can be attached to the Little Badger's stock like it was made for it.

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If I'm out hunting small game exclusively I usually take the 10-22 (I installed the TSR200 Tech Sights on it). The Henry AR-7 lives behind the seat of my truck and doesn't get much use. The oversized stock just feels awkward and clunky.

Again, thanks for all the work you've done. I'm really looking forward to your final results.

Oh, and I'm not surprised at your findings. With decent sights or optics the Little Badger is awesome.
 
I love my badger, I carry it when I go deer hunting in case I run into some small game

If you bend the rails a bit it you can lower the buttstock to better line up the sights with your eyes without hunching as much, it also folds WAY smaller. I feel like this is the way the gun should have been manufactured

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just an update.
i emailed Henry and asked them about my AR7 not floating for more than 34 seconds.

this was their reply:

Thanks for reaching out with the question. The rifle really isn't designed to float indefinitely, but rather stay at the surface long enough for retrieval if accidentally dropped into water. Any other rifle would sink like a rock upon being dropped into water, so the design on this one slows that sinking to make retrieval possible.
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i was thinking about this over the last 2 weeks.....
the gun butt is hollow where the parts are not and that is filling with water, yes, so what if a fella where to spray some of that expanding foam in there?
if its full of foam it can not fill up with water, right?

thoughts?
 
wayupnorth said:
just an update.
i emailed Henry and asked them about my AR7 not floating for more than 34 seconds.

this was their reply:



i was thinking about this over the last 2 weeks.....
the gun butt is hollow where the parts are not and that is filling with water, yes, so what if a fella where to spray some of that expanding foam in there?
if its full of foam it can not fill up with water, right?

thoughts?
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Possibly. Might be hard to get any water out that does make it in though. What about improving the seal of the buttcap or just plugging those holes with wedges of closed-cell foam?
 
MIBagentQ said:
I love my badger, I carry it when I go deer hunting in case I run into some small game

If you bend the rails a bit it you can lower the buttstock to better line up the sights with your eyes without hunching as much, it also folds WAY smaller. I feel like this is the way the gun should have been manufactured

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Can you elaborate on how and where you bent the stock please? And can you post a pic of it open as well?
 
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