It would probably work fine as long as you made sure the foam was able to expand without warping the stock. I've seen walls around windows bow out due to to much foam being used and nowhere for it to expand. You could also use wet paper towel to stop expansion. Have it ready, cut to the shape needed, then put in place after you spray the foam. Squirt it with a spray bottle when it's near the size/shape you want. Assuming it's a large enough cavity I'd look at using wet paper towel to outline the bottom and sides, then fill the centre with foam so you could remove it if needed and/or shape it. Also won't ruin the rifle if you don't like it.
The Great Survival Rifle / Pack Rifle Experiment of 2016/17
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It would probably work fine as long as you made sure the foam was able to expand without warping the stock. I've seen walls around windows bow out due to to much foam being used and nowhere for it to expand. You could also use wet paper towel to stop expansion. Have it ready, cut to the shape needed, then put in place after you spray the foam. Squirt it with a spray bottle when it's near the size/shape you want. Assuming it's a large enough cavity I'd look at using wet paper towel to outline the bottom and sides, then fill the centre with foam so you could remove it if needed and/or shape it. Also won't ruin the rifle if you don't like it.
wayupnorth
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test #3 is post five on the first page i think.
yes ive done 4 and 5 i just havnt done up the stuff for it yet.
still mulling over the results and trying to decided if i want to do it again in better weather and with a different ammo for comparison.
doing 4 and 5 a 2nd time would give me more data and a better overall of them.
with the weather up here finally hitting spring i should have them done for the 2nd time here later this week, i go on my week off Wednesday.
My bad. I meant 4, 5 & 6.
wayupnorth
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ya im gonna try to hit the range one more time with them this week and tie up those tests.
then ive got 4 guys lined up who im gonna give the guns to for an afternoon of testing each with whatever ammo they usually run and i wanna get back some impressions from them.
once that is all done then im gonna do my conclusion and tie this all up.
might have it all done by mid next week depending on how fast the other guys are at doing their range test day.
then ive got 4 guys lined up who im gonna give the guns to for an afternoon of testing each with whatever ammo they usually run and i wanna get back some impressions from them.
once that is all done then im gonna do my conclusion and tie this all up.
might have it all done by mid next week depending on how fast the other guys are at doing their range test day.
I just pulled the wires out and put them in a vice and bent them separately, a bit of trial and error to get the stock to that point. I also filed down the break release lever a bit to get a little more clearance.
If you grind around to make a little nub into the plastic buttstock so that it sits inside the muzzle protector, the gun locks in the folded position which is great for when carrying it in this $4.99 tool holster from princess auto.
Looking forward to test #4!
I just pulled the wires out and put them in a vice and bent them separately, a bit of trial and error to get the stock to that point. I also filed down the break release lever a bit to get a little more clearance.
If you grind around to make a little nub into the plastic buttstock so that it sits inside the muzzle protector, the gun locks in the folded position which is great for when carrying it in this $4.99 tool holster from princess auto.
Looking forward to test #4!
Thanks very much!
Interesting thread. I owned a few compact guns years ago. I had a Cooey Ace 1, AR-7, CZ 452 Scout, and a (pre-Remington buyout) Marlin 70pss. I could not believe how accurate the 70pss was, for what it was. Consistent dime sized groups at 25m and a quarter sized groups or less at 50. It shot about the same as the Scout honestly. The Cooey Ace 1 shot horribly, but it was pretty old and well used. The AR-7 felt like a toy, jammed often, and wasn't accurate. A novelty gun at best.
This was about an average 50m group for my papoose. I reeeeealy regret selling that gun now... I bought it brand new for $219 and now I see they are selling for $400+ new.
This was about an average 50m group for my papoose. I reeeeealy regret selling that gun now... I bought it brand new for $219 and now I see they are selling for $400+ new.
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That happened to me once. A loose barrel nut gave me this, compared to the group I posted on the previous page of this thread.
MacGyver lives!
Well done! I especially like the Princess Auto holster!
Well done! I especially like the Princess Auto holster!
I just pulled the wires out and put them in a vice and bent them separately, a bit of trial and error to get the stock to that point. I also filed down the break release lever a bit to get a little more clearance.
If you grind around to make a little nub into the plastic buttstock so that it sits inside the muzzle protector, the gun locks in the folded position which is great for when carrying it in this $4.99 tool holster from princess auto.
Looking forward to test #4!
wayupnorth
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i know i know, i havnt put up the final stuff yet, ive been super busy!
with the easter break upon us my parents made the trip north for a visit.
today i took my dad out with the 4 rifles im testing and i let him have some time with them.
i didnt even assemble them for him, i let him figure it all out on his own.
so he put 20-30 rounds through each gun and then we sat down and have a chat about them.
his conclusion was as follows:
he rates the guns 1st) Chiappa Little Badger 2) Ruger Take Down 3) Marlin Papoose 4) Henry US Survival Rifle.
the Henry he didnt care for at all, he said he would never buy that gun, didnt like shooting it and it didnt shoot well for him.
the Papoose he didnt mind but he felt it was a not as nice as the Ruger by a long ways.
the Ruger he liked a lot, shot well and he would buy one if he could get it for the sale price i got mine fore.
the Little Badger he liked the best and shot the best.
He also said that for a survival gun the Little Badger would be his pick, if i offered him 1 of the 4 for free and he knew that it was going to mean his life depended on it to get food and such the Little Badger was the one he wanted.
being so small and compact and light plus the fact that is was single shot and dead accurate was what won it over for him.
interesting to get another persons opinion on the guns.
he also mentioned he saw a Little Badger in 17HMR that he thought would be pretty damn nice.
so there ya have it, my 70 year old dads opinion on the survival guns!
with the easter break upon us my parents made the trip north for a visit.
today i took my dad out with the 4 rifles im testing and i let him have some time with them.
i didnt even assemble them for him, i let him figure it all out on his own.
so he put 20-30 rounds through each gun and then we sat down and have a chat about them.
his conclusion was as follows:
he rates the guns 1st) Chiappa Little Badger 2) Ruger Take Down 3) Marlin Papoose 4) Henry US Survival Rifle.
the Henry he didnt care for at all, he said he would never buy that gun, didnt like shooting it and it didnt shoot well for him.
the Papoose he didnt mind but he felt it was a not as nice as the Ruger by a long ways.
the Ruger he liked a lot, shot well and he would buy one if he could get it for the sale price i got mine fore.
the Little Badger he liked the best and shot the best.
He also said that for a survival gun the Little Badger would be his pick, if i offered him 1 of the 4 for free and he knew that it was going to mean his life depended on it to get food and such the Little Badger was the one he wanted.
being so small and compact and light plus the fact that is was single shot and dead accurate was what won it over for him.
interesting to get another persons opinion on the guns.
he also mentioned he saw a Little Badger in 17HMR that he thought would be pretty damn nice.
so there ya have it, my 70 year old dads opinion on the survival guns!
I just pulled the wires out and put them in a vice and bent them separately, a bit of trial and error to get the stock to that point. I also filed down the break release lever a bit to get a little more clearance.
If you grind around to make a little nub into the plastic buttstock so that it sits inside the muzzle protector, the gun locks in the folded position which is great for when carrying it in this $4.99 tool holster from princess auto.
Looking forward to test #4!
I haven't bent mine as much as you did but I did bend it to make it more comfortable with the iron sights and compact. I was able to clamp it directly in my vice just back of the receiver where the wire stock enters and this was enough to keep the force I put into bending the stock from transferring to the receiver.
Quick and easy to try the fit and adjust to where I wanted it. I also put a velcrostrap around the ammo storage like you did but the strap is long enough to go around the barrel as well to hold it folded.
I like that yours holds closed against the butt stock.
I will be checking out the tool holster at Princess Auto as well and will cut it a bit shorter so I can still use the front sight.
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As an aside, I saw this thread a while ago and it got me thinking about the two AR 7's I have in the safe and haven't shot in years...actually, one I have never fired. It was given to me by a friend who didn't want to go through the LGR for whatever reason. Been in the safe since then...
I dusted them off and gave them a shot or two of G96. Neither would cycle reliably with Winchester ammo but both cycled perfectly with better ammo, just like most semi auto 22's have a picky diet. I was hitting a 4" X 6" target shooting uphill at about 35 yards. Not an accuracy test by any stretch of the imagination but I didn't bother walking uphill to see what the hits were like. Certainly grouse-able or squirrel-able.
I don't see a lot of love for the AR 7's here but I was happy to see that they work well with selected ammo.
I dusted them off and gave them a shot or two of G96. Neither would cycle reliably with Winchester ammo but both cycled perfectly with better ammo, just like most semi auto 22's have a picky diet. I was hitting a 4" X 6" target shooting uphill at about 35 yards. Not an accuracy test by any stretch of the imagination but I didn't bother walking uphill to see what the hits were like. Certainly grouse-able or squirrel-able.
I don't see a lot of love for the AR 7's here but I was happy to see that they work well with selected ammo.
I think when Henry took over the AR7 improved a lot.I had an older one, that was by far the worst gun I ever owned.Misfired and inaccurate.I couldn't imagine it keeping anyone alive better than a well aimed rock.The Badger is everything the older Ar7 should have been.Reliable ,great trigger, and very accurate.I'm not talking about the newer ones because Henry upped the quality a lot, so I heard.
I have a little badger in .17hmr and I love it. its super accurate and that round has a lot of take down power for its size.
One thing I haven't seen mentioned yet and would, to me, be a hugely important factor here
Weight and packable size.
IMO, a pack gun needs to fit into a pack as invisibly as possible and needs to take up as little space as possible... leaving as much room as possible for other items.
Id like to see this be a consideration in your test.
One thing I haven't seen mentioned yet and would, to me, be a hugely important factor here
Weight and packable size.
IMO, a pack gun needs to fit into a pack as invisibly as possible and needs to take up as little space as possible... leaving as much room as possible for other items.
Id like to see this be a consideration in your test.
Last week my Badger was shooting federal .22 on top of each other at 25 yards with the gun's sights. I was contemplating putting a small red dot on it, but after that demonstration, it's staying exactly as is. One thing I have to watch though...once the hammer is cocked, the trigger finger needs to move onto the trigger carefully. There is not a lot of room in that trigger guard, and the trigger is verrrrry light.
