We need to support Maxime Bernier

Stormchaser said:
I'm not sure this is the right choice. We have to look at who could win over Trudeau, Can Maxime beat Trudeau? I'm thinking O'Leary is a more appealing candidate.
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O'Leary as leader will solidify the far left, the regressive left, and the neoliberals against the cpc, much as they banded together to "strategically" vote out harper.

cpc is currently polling ahead at 38, lpc at 33, ndp at 15, and green at 5.

O'Leary will lose that lead.
 
LuckyLuc82 said:
Quite a few folks were banned from the NFA page today for asking a simple question on their CPC grading of the candidates... of O'toole thinks aligning himself with CLAIR will win him something he's either a fool or someone on his staff needs to be fired. After this nonsense O'toole is off my ballot. Team Max all the way!!

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NFA is the worst... CCFR seems to have gone with Bernier and CSSA with O'Toole as well...

Nothing wrong with having both of them in the top 2... but I think Bernier is the one with interseting ideas that will breath life back into the CPC
 
Robert777 said:
Max has my vote. But there is NO Reason why FNs, HK91s and semi auto AKs should be banned and this should be revisited. I am grandfathered and I cannot take my rifles to the range.

There is NO reason with pre 1946 12.6 handguns or any short barrel handguns should be banned. Especially historically significant guns. They don't deserve the melting furnace for any 12.2, 12.3, 12.4, 12.5 or 12.6 after 1946 firearms.
MAX must be made aware of this. And pushed on this.
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Prohibited:

(a) a fully-automatic firearm,

(b) a firearm that is adapted from a rifle or shotgun, whether by sawing, cutting or any other alteration, and that, as so adapted, is less than 660 mm in length.

(c) a firearm that is listed as prohibited prior to June 20, 2016.
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Looks like the 12.x prohibs are still on death row under berniers plan.
He's welshed on section 12, one of the biggest sore points in the firearms act.
Not good enough.
 
I like Max, and even a lot of Kevin's economic ideas (watching him light up Trudeau, Wynne, Notley etc is fantastic, his energy might actually get regular Canadians to wake up...

BUT. the CPC is going to have to work hard to convince me why they deserve my vote, after squandering their majority chance to make real change on many issues...
 
pangit said:
O'Leary as leader will solidify the far left, the regressive left, and the neoliberals against the cpc, much as they banded together to "strategically" vote out harper.

cpc is currently polling ahead at 38, lpc at 33, ndp at 15, and green at 5.

O'Leary will lose that lead.
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That's interesting speculation. The counter-argument is that O'Leary is more centrist than anyone else. And given that the Libs have moved quite far to the left, the centre is up for grabs...and that's where most of the votes are.
Where did you see that poll, btw?
 
Not trying to re-post, but just want to make sure I am maximizing the effect of my family members' votes.
(1) Bernier
(2) O'Toole
(3) Scheer

What saith ye?
 
Bernier has too many skeletons (and mistresses) in his closet, never made it to BC from my recollection.
O'Toole is a viable choice and realistic candidate but isn't bilingual. No matter what the ROC may think, the Quebec vote is necessary to win a majority, never made it to BC from my recollection.
Scheer is bilingual, is of the same vintage as Trudeau, has a solid character, has political experience, and is favoured by a broad range of conservatives, isn't a loud mouth but sells his product with fact - not fiction, and is one of the very few candidates who made it to smaller communities.
 
bcbravo2zero said:
That's interesting speculation. The counter-argument is that O'Leary is more centrist than anyone else. And given that the Libs have moved quite far to the left, the centre is up for grabs...and that's where most of the votes are.
Where did you see that poll, btw?
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There is no poll saying that... at all... your angle is probably closer to the truth. O'Leary is going for the center, it might work. Will it? Who knows.
 
Saw this on another thread:

The guy who is running the campaign for O'Toole (Fred Delorey) is also the guy who is being paid currently to be the chief lobbyist for the NFA.

There are two main problems with this.

One - this explains the bizarre delta between the CCFR and NFA on grading of the candidates. Max and Erin both have good platforms on guns. You can quibble about which one is better. Personally, I like Bernier because it is more specific and achievable (and more able to be held to account). But the difference is not between an A and a C+. So you have to ask, what are the metrics they used? Who benefits? When it is in the interest of an NFA employee to sandbag Bernier, it starts to make a lot more sense. What's more, given the shady history of the NFA in the last few years, you have to ask if there was a quid pro quo. Did Delorey drop his rates in exchange for bumping up O'Toole and sandbagging Max? We don't know.

Second - everybody needs to make a living, but "gun lobbyist", rightly or wrongly, sounds bad to non gun owners if it is printed across the front page of the Globe and Mail. It shows pretty poor judgment on the part of O'Toole to not either ask Delorey to step aside as NFA lobbyist while he is running the campaign, or it shows that the O'Toole fundraising machine is so piss poor that they can't afford to properly pay their top operative.

All of this is problematic all the way around.


MountedMadness said:
Bernier has too many skeletons (and mistresses) in his closet, never made it to BC from my recollection.
O'Toole is a viable choice and realistic candidate but isn't bilingual. No matter what the ROC may think, the Quebec vote is necessary to win a majority, never made it to BC from my recollection.
Scheer is bilingual, is of the same vintage as Trudeau, has a solid character, has political experience, and is favoured by a broad range of conservatives, isn't a loud mouth but sells his product with fact - not fiction, and is one of the very few candidates who made it to smaller communities.
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bcbravo2zero said:
That's interesting speculation. The counter-argument is that O'Leary is more centrist than anyone else. And given that the Libs have moved quite far to the left, the centre is up for grabs...and that's where most of the votes are.
Where did you see that poll, btw?
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here's the one from forum research. I was slightly off with 36 for the libs and 4 for the greens.

http://poll.forumresearch.com/data/6cb8cad6-0a20-45ab-82f1-3b83292cf079FED horserace.pdf

when far left personalities like Suzuki are denouncing regressives like Trudeau, it is more apt to say that the cilmate has changed to make liberals the centrist party compared to further left organizations like the ndp or greens. especially when there is only one party in contention that can be considered "right wing."
 
K-Roc said:
There is no poll saying that... at all... your angle is probably closer to the truth. O'Leary is going for the center, it might work. Will it? Who knows.
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Problem is liberal voters consider themselves left wing when the actual case is, with the ndp and greens shifting left wing ideology further left, liberals have become what more people will consider centre. With about 19% of votes going to the ndp and greens, those people will rally to keep from electing a trump-like candidate such as O'Leary, who they will undoubtedly view as "right wing."
 
MountedMadness said:
Bernier has too many skeletons (and mistresses) in his closet, never made it to BC from my recollection.
O'Toole is a viable choice and realistic candidate but isn't bilingual. No matter what the ROC may think, the Quebec vote is necessary to win a majority, never made it to BC from my recollection.
Scheer is bilingual, is of the same vintage as Trudeau, has a solid character, has political experience, and is favoured by a broad range of conservatives, isn't a loud mouth but sells his product with fact - not fiction, and is one of the very few candidates who made it to smaller communities.
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So you're

Scheer
O'Toole
Bernier

???
Something else????
 
Imho, I like Blaney and Bernier, but I don't think there is enough time for either candidate to get popular enough to beat Trudeau come next election.

O'Leary flipflopped on some topics, including carbon tax and guns, but I believe he is the only candidate with enough status to beat Trudeau. His firearms legislation isn't too bad, certainly a step up from what we have now.
 
norlandgeese said:
Reading these threads on CGN, clearly we Canadian firearms owners are screwed.
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Not sure exactly what you mean by this, but regardless, I don't agree. Despite the candidate selection (if that is what you refer to) and despite the sometimes(?) lack of cohesiveness of us as a group, the profile of firearms issues and lack of effectiveness of regulations, has been raised substantially by us as individuals (letter writing campaigns) and by the various groups by their education and promotion. In the big picture, that is a good thing...even if the Libs remain in power. Their rural members are paying attention, that is for sure.
 
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