ATRS modern hunter?

Epoxy7 said:
These aren't AR15 rifles. These are AR308/AR10 rifles. The NEA 102 is said to have their new forged 7075 upper/lower with built in trigger guard etc. Barrel blanks are rumoured to be Green Mountain SS. The rest is window dressing and easily modified by the user with off the shelf parts. Whether it's AR10 or AR308 parts, who knows at this time. It will be interesting to see. Hopefully we get the chance to see these as non restricted. We are going to disagree on your car analogy in this case.
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No they're not, nor did I claim them to be. However the quality of manufacture from NEA is known, as is the quality from ATRS. If you think it's unreasonable to assume the same quality will carry on with new products, then I think you're kidding nobody but yourself. If anyone is expecting the NEA gun to show up and have the same quality of fit and finish as a MH, I've got some bad news for you...

I'm also interested by your comments about window dressing. Not long ago you were referring to the MH as little more than a glorified DPMS overlooking the upper/lower and barrel, while now you're emphasizing the importance of the upper/lower/barrel while downplaying the rest. There seems to be little consistency in your posts, other than shifting your method to criticizing this particular rifle.
 
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No they're not, nor did I claim them to be. However the quality of manufacture from NEA is known, as is the quality from ATRS. If you think it's unreasonable to assume the same quality will carry on with new products, then I think you're kidding nobody but yourself. If anyone is expecting the NEA gun to show up and have the same quality of fit and finish as a MH, I've got some bad news for you...

I'm also interested by your comments about window dressing. Not long ago you were referring to the MH as little more than a glorified DPMS overlooking the upper/lower and barrel, while now you're emphasizing the importance of the upper/lower/barrel while downplaying the rest. There seems to be little consistency in your posts, other than shifting your method to criticizing this particular rifle.
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From what I've heard recently the quality of the NEA stuff has come a long way. Going forged 7075 for the NEA102 / NEA25 speaks to their seriousness. Plus this gun has been sold for a while now in the NEA25 format so it's not a Beta product going to the public. I do agree it's likely not to be as pretty as the MH. I'm not as concerned with that as "quality" as I am with whether or not it shoots, is reliable and can use the common mags on the market. Also that the parts such as the BCG will hold up. I know the short comings of the DPMS BCG, I also know of the NEA past issues with their BCG products. If they don't get that right, then yes I agree the quality will be that of NEA old. Hopefully an AR10 BCG (significantly nicer than DPMS gen1 BCG) can be substituted if that's the case.

The NEA 25 has been for sale in NZ for a while now. Guys over there are shooting them suppressed as well. Which puts a lot more stress on the gun. They seem to be shooting in that .5 to 1 moa range as expected and reliability seems to be good as well. Again, if we get these here as non restricted, we aren't getting a new Beta product.


With regards to my window dressing comment, you're conveniently forgetting that I've also mentioned different priorities with regards to price points. That's actually where the shift occurs. I would agree with you if they were at the same price point but the NEA102 is at the $1500 ish point while the MH is $3600 for the base models. I've also made this point more than a few times with regards to my DPMS LR308. It's a fairly big distinction and definitely changes the expectations.
 
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I really hope NEA actually does hit the Canadian streets with a Non Restricted product and at the low price points being discussed. This would provide many in the Canadian market an entry point to an AR form factor that would otherwise be sidelined and more participation is a really good thing for the shooting community.

Not everyone can afford to spend for top drawer gear out of the gate and many prefer to drip feed themselves into a rig that can be competitive and that's ok too because one can "control" their level of commitment. Lots of guys buy Norinco M1A rifles and either run 'em as is or soup them up some vs spending on a Springfield M1A. It's nice to have options to suit different market segments.

Getting back to the NEA, I hope they don't short shrift buyers of their products by cutting too many corners:
Good forged aluminum is a great starting point, but that in and of itself is relatively meaningless if the finishing machining work is sloppy.
Loose tolerances (to a point) are usually good for reliability but not so much for really superb accuracy. It's a balancing act for sure.
 
oaktree said:
I really hope NEA actually does hit the Canadian streets with a Non Restricted product and at the low price points being discussed. This would provide many in the Canadian market an entry point to an AR form factor that would otherwise be sidelined and more participation is a really good thing for the shooting community.

Not everyone can afford to spend for top drawer gear out of the gate and many prefer to drip feed themselves into a rig that can be competitive and that's ok too because one can "control" their level of commitment. Lots of guys buy Norinco M1A rifles and either run 'em as is or soup them up some vs spending on a Springfield M1A. It's nice to have options to suit different market segments.

Getting back to the NEA, I hope they don't short shrift buyers of their products by cutting too many corners:
Good forged aluminum is a great starting point, but that in and of itself is relatively meaningless if the finishing machining work is sloppy.
Loose tolerances (to a point) are usually good for reliability but not so much for really superb accuracy. It's a balancing act for sure.
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I would gladly pay 1500-2000 for one. Especially if they focus more on reliability than on accuracy and use gen 3 pmags
 
oaktree said:
I really hope NEA actually does hit the Canadian streets with a Non Restricted product and at the low price points being discussed. This would provide many in the Canadian market an entry point to an AR form factor that would otherwise be sidelined and more participation is a really good thing for the shooting community.

Not everyone can afford to spend for top drawer gear out of the gate and many prefer to drip feed themselves into a rig that can be competitive and that's ok too because one can "control" their level of commitment. Lots of guys buy Norinco M1A rifles and either run 'em as is or soup them up some vs spending on a Springfield M1A. It's nice to have options to suit different market segments.
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Absolutely. Also those of us that have high end AR308 rifles will also be looking at the NEA102. Especially those of us who have put a few together ourselves.

Getting back to the NEA, I hope they don't short shrift buyers of their products by cutting too many corners:
Good forged aluminum is a great starting point, but that in and of itself is relatively meaningless if the finishing machining work is sloppy.
Loose tolerances (to a point) are usually good for reliability but not so much for really superb accuracy. It's a balancing act for sure.
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Results from NEA 25 reviews over in NZ have it doing .4 to .7 moa with factory match ammo, including hornady ammo and no issues with magazines. Plus reliable when shooting suppressed. If this is accurate, then they are building an AR10 rifle correctly. If this is the case then they won't have any competition in Canada for the non restricted AR308 at any price range. Hopefully we get the option to try it out here as non restricted in Canada.

That being said, the MH is here now and available as non restricted. The NEA102 isn't and it may not materialize.
 
Deleted my statement, said some smart ass things then 4 people vouched for the person I was being a smart ass to(and were very nice about it)

Sorry, just grow tired of people always giving crap to a rifle I really like.
 
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AFAIK Epoxy probably has one of the larger AR10 collections on the forum. I question his reasoning behind his MH logic, but suggesting someone has no place talking about things without knowing anything about them is pretty childish.
 
clg said:
AFAIK Epoxy probably has one of the larger AR10 collections on the forum. I question his reasoning behind his MH logic, but suggesting someone has no place talking about things without knowing anything about them is pretty childish.
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Can't hunt with an AR10 so... I'm out.

Love my MH though. Hiking through the bush packing a Modern Hunter with an ATRS backpack sling is a joy.
 
clg said:
AFAIK Epoxy probably has one of the larger AR10 collections on the forum. I question his reasoning behind his MH logic, but suggesting someone has no place talking about things without knowing anything about them is pretty childish.
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I have seen Epoxy7's black rifle collection personally and it rivals most stores inventory. The guy knows a crap load about black rifles and since Rick likes to spout about how the MH is a proven AR10 design it's apples to apples.

propliner said:
Can't hunt with an AR10 so... I'm out.

Love my MH though. Hiking through the bush packing a Modern Hunter with an ATRS backpack sling is a joy.
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Then your not doing it right with an AR10
 
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I figured since no one has posted on here in a while I would bring it back to the top. I have now purchased a proof research modern hunter in 308 win. So now I have one heavy barreled modern hunter and one proof research carbon fiber both in 308 win. Over the next month I will be doing load development for both rifles then I will post some results.

Thanks Ryan
 
I'm going to shoot a couple groups tomorrow morning in both my modern hunters. I only made the minimum charge for now becuase I found my first modern hunter would show pressure signs early.
I'm going with nosler brass wet tumbled, annealed, and trimmed to 2.005. 39gr of varget 200gr Hornady eldx bullet and cci bench rest large rifle primer.
If everything goes good with the minimum charge I will start working up to look for the most accurate amount of powder.
 
So I don't want to make excuses for my crappy grouping but I will anyway. Lol I had to zero both scopes before I could start shooting my accurate reloads so by the time I ran back an forth changing targets and whatnot I was starting to get tired and shaky. It was also gusting to 25kmh today and I ran out of time so I had to rush and shoot so I could make my physiotherapy appointment. I will shoot this load again when I am fresh and it's not windy.

This is from my new proof barreled 308 modern hunter.


This is from my jury custom heavy barreled 308 modern hunter. This group was looking good till the last 2 went right.


Both are 5 rnds groups. I wouldn't have posted these crappy groups but I said I would today.
 
Cr5 I taught you did not have a MV, is it new, new to you or I am just mistaken lol?

Btw looks awesome, cant wait to see your grouping.
 
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