B&T APC Range report, comparisons and groups
- Thread starter mikethebike
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i like mine and i like the stock too, this rifle has been a sleeper the whole time for me. when i first saw it i really liked the look and i preordered it, first firearm ive ever preordered a firearm. then made a concious effort to ignore it until it and anything about it until it was in country ready to ship. it kept the hype down and honestly im glad i did. it wasnt a dissapointment when i didnt like some things and it kept me fresh to it. i like the ergonomics, build quality and stock more than my swiss. i find it a little funny that so many harp about the APC's stock but not the swiss'. sell a gun like this for such a loss this quickly is a bit premature to me, but its not me and not my gun or my situation so i cant judge. hopefully whoever nabs it likes it, they are getting a deal.
The NR barrel is quite substantial/heavy profile, it was essentially redesigned for the Canadian NR MOA conscious market from the original carbine config with shorter barrel. If you get the NR version expecting to do room clearing ninja moves, it's a bit of a procurement spec misalignment.
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i guess thats where our expectations differed, I wanted something thats a swiss but takes AR mags and that I can put optics on
My swiss arms has an horrible cheek weld as well, i need to buy a riser, but the SAN riser is 400$ so thats going to wait, its ben waiting for 3 years and thats that.
ACR is an amazing rifle if you dont load it with useless crap, no need to replace it.
Ill try to go see Ram this week and see what he thinks can be done, how and how much.
Anyways Im not selling it or my swiss arms, unless my finalcial situation changes.
The OEM Swiss riser works good I was fortunate it came with the rifle, it's essential for the cheek conscious crowd, but it's sure ugly.
i dont even know where to even get that riser
Try to find one for the Airsoft rifle version--that is apparently where mine came from (was substantially cheaper). Got it years ago and it fits well.
Beware of the differences between the copies and the OEM, see this comparison.
https://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php/626710-Swiss-Arms-cheek-riser-comparison-Swiss-vs-Chicom?highlight=Cheek
FlipinCanadian and I met up tonite as planned, to apply our combined ideas, my stock and Flipin's mad kydex skills to the problem. The air of creativity was so exciting that I forgot the beer in the car. That NEVER happens unďer normal circumstances....
Anyhow, my host's familiarity with the materials combined with his design vision resulted in a workable solution. I'm sure that pics will follow for comment when the prototype is complete and ready for primetime. We based its cross-sectjon off the piece of dense foam that I had zap-strapped on my stock, plus some extra space to make a total of 1" rise. We wrapped the heated kydex around that foam and underneath the upper beam. By drilling 2 holes in the kydex we can affix two bolts through the existing factory holes tucked under each end of the upper beam. Those little bolts will keep the riser securely in position with no possibility of it shifting around. The bolts were FlipinCanadian's idea and they were a really smart design choice. The riser will require no modification to the host buttstock and will be easily removable - just take out the 2 bolts and pull off the riser....
Anyhow, that's the general idea. A picture's worth a thousand words, so hopefully we'll see some before too long. At least there is hope for those who find the comb on the standard APC stock too low. I will leave any discussion of pricing and production timelines to FlipinCanadian, as that is all his baby. I just provided the buttstock for prototyping.
Cheers,
Anyhow, my host's familiarity with the materials combined with his design vision resulted in a workable solution. I'm sure that pics will follow for comment when the prototype is complete and ready for primetime. We based its cross-sectjon off the piece of dense foam that I had zap-strapped on my stock, plus some extra space to make a total of 1" rise. We wrapped the heated kydex around that foam and underneath the upper beam. By drilling 2 holes in the kydex we can affix two bolts through the existing factory holes tucked under each end of the upper beam. Those little bolts will keep the riser securely in position with no possibility of it shifting around. The bolts were FlipinCanadian's idea and they were a really smart design choice. The riser will require no modification to the host buttstock and will be easily removable - just take out the 2 bolts and pull off the riser....
Anyhow, that's the general idea. A picture's worth a thousand words, so hopefully we'll see some before too long. At least there is hope for those who find the comb on the standard APC stock too low. I will leave any discussion of pricing and production timelines to FlipinCanadian, as that is all his baby. I just provided the buttstock for prototyping.
Cheers,
canucklehead
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Guys - would a Nightforce 2.5-10x24 be able to mount low enough (loooow rings) to make the stock usable in 'stock' form? I'm interested in getting one to try but not if I need to jimmy the stock to make it usable! Chin weld sucks.
You got the face of a child!?!??! cuz that set up is perfect right there
It would be a little high but nothing unusable
It is still lower then a SAN rifle with a scope mount on it and no stock riser and even in that set up I didn't have a real hard time shooting it
strongly doubt that, even my t2 is a tad bit too high
the stock needs to be altered or switched out, theres no other option
Nope, I'm with you regarding the stock working fine with a low-mounted RDS. My T1 works just fine with the standard stock. It is anything mounted higher, such as an RDS with FTS Magnifier that is the problem. Any magnified optic will have "issues" with the low comb height, with the problem at its worst for large, light-gatherjng objective lenses. This is where the snap-on Cheek-Riser will come into its own....
