X95 Non restricted whos getting one ?

cr5 said:
So what are your groups down to after the advice from the people who think a new trigger will get your groups down by half and removing the barrel/handguard support will cut them by half again?
If you're that unhappy with the accuracy send it in for inspection, even though these are not know for accuracy 6moa is not the normal for sandbags and a decent optic.
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The issue with sending it in is it will be gone for awhile a long while. It's not like there is a iwi service center in western Canada.
So far advice received that has worked is to modify my method of holding rifle.
By taking pressure off fore end and rest hand on front of trigger guard the rifle doesn't magically group better but hits on steel down range have increased.
Just little technique things that for whatever reason this rifle likes.
I do not have a large gun vault and I want this rifle to work. I have committed to 500 round break in period.
For example my rifle will not do what sveinn84 will do.
 
This also comes down to one of those things that make people look at you like your an idiot.....My rifle don't shoot fix it.
I prefer to try and find an identifiable issue that I can describe to someone that would be receiving it to service it.
I do not believe a rack grade service rifle cannot shoot a consistent group like sveinn84's will.
Something is causing this, what it is I do not know but tonight it will be detailed stripped I now have over 200 rounds through it. Let's see if there are any odd wear marks on the metal.
 
Barrel removal, how tight is the barrel locking device supposed to be on. I have the retaining clip pulled out on opposite side and the key in slot.....Is it supposed to be twisting key.
 
Sasko31 said:
I do not believe a rack grade service rifle cannot shoot a consistent group like sveinn84's will.
Something is causing this, what it is I do not know but tonight it will be detailed stripped I now have over 200 rounds through it. Let's see if there are any odd wear marks on the metal.
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I don't think you will see any improvement in accuracy after 500 rounds, a chrome lined barrel pretty much is what it is until about 20000-30000 rounds when it starts to become worn out. Unless you really abuse it and get it super hot which is pretty hard to do with a semi auto and 5 or 10 round magazines. The break in is more for the action to smooth out as it wears in.
So his 4+ moa groups are what you consider consistent and you would be satisfied with that? Once you adjust your shooting style to the bullpup you should be able to achieve that. As I said earlier a semi auto and especially a bullpup semi auto magnifies everything you do wrong behind the trigger.
I've shot a few Tavors and owned one for a while, I do like bullpups but something about the rifle just didn't make me smile when shooting it. The trigger was consistent but insanely heavy and my trigger pull gauge wouldn't even read high enough to measure it until I removed the return spring and being a fan of accuracy I decided it wasn't for me and sold it. My ACR is a much better fit for my shooting, when I want something lighter my AR180B-2 gets taken out of the safe.
As a varmint/predator hunting rifle I think the Tavor/X95 is a pretty poor choice other than the obvious advantage of the small package and great offhand shooting balance.
For varmint hunting without breaking the bank the SL8-4 is probably the best rifle available to us and with a Hera Arms lower it is very ergonomic. I've owned three of them over the years and while I didn't have the last one long enough to do much load testing with it the other two were fairly consistent 1 moa rifles once you find a load it likes, both of them liked 60gr Nosler Varmageddon over CFE 223 or heavy match grade factory ammo. An SL8 with Hera lower can be had for less than the cost of an X95 and if you learn to manage the muzzle weight is a great varmint rifle (I carry a shooting stick when coyote hunting).
 
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Sveinn84 said:
I should clarify that the bottom left I was still sighting it in. The other two were fired after initial sight in at 25 meters.
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Those are still around an inch or a little more and at 25 yards that's not impressive. I'm sure the rifle is capable of better than that but again, if you bought a Tavor or X95 for shooting from a table making small groups or any kind of precision work you bought the wrong tool.
Enjoy it for what it is and since you're only shooting gophers and coyotes a poor shot isn't that critical since you just squeeze again.
 
cr5 said:
Those are still around an inch or a little more and at 25 yards that's not impressive. I'm sure the rifle is capable of better than that but again, if you bought a Tavor or X95 for shooting from a table making small groups or any kind of precision work you bought the wrong tool.
Enjoy it for what it is and since you're only shooting gophers and coyotes a poor shot isn't that critical since you just squeeze again.
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I have my reasons for buying it.... I wanted a reliable, battle proven, non res firearm that isn't three meters long. A bench is the best way to sight it in, so you can beat that dead horse all you want. You don't like X95s, great, leave the thread and stop being so negative. I am satisfied completely. There are far better guns for accuracy, I never claimed my x95 was one of them.
 
Sveinn84 said:
I have my reasons for buying it.... I wanted a reliable, battle proven, non res firearm that isn't three meters long. A bench is the best way to sight it in, so you can beat that dead horse all you want. You don't like X95s, great, leave the thread and stop being so negative. I am satisfied completely. There are far better guns for accuracy, I never claimed my x95 was one of them.
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He never said he didn't like them. In fact he has spent most of his time in this thread supporting them for what they are...
 
I just returned from the range, still smiling. X95 was a good choice, I wonder how long it will take me to stop going for the old mag release though.. lol
 
Sveinn84 said:
I have my reasons for buying it.... I wanted a reliable, battle proven, non res firearm that isn't three meters long. A bench is the best way to sight it in, so you can beat that dead horse all you want. You don't like X95s, great, leave the thread and stop being so negative. I am satisfied completely. There are far better guns for accuracy, I never claimed my x95 was one of them.
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Leave the thread? Lol, back to the comments of ten year old children.
First of all this thread was started by Dilligaf so eat a d!_k, it is not yours and you have no say in anything regarding who can comment or what they can say. What fun would it be if we all agreed about everything?
Secondly, since this is a public forum I can say anything I want about any comment made by any person on this site. You don't have to agree and you're free to argue/debate all you like.
Thirdly, don't get so defensive, we don't have to agree on anything. We all have an opinion and if you like your X95 then good for you but don't try to tell me that 25 yard groups of over an inch should impress anyone. I was doing better than that with my Tavor and it was sold off after a couple months.
Fourth, since I own or have owned or at least shot pretty much every non restricted black rifle we're allowed to have in Canada other than the newest releases and used them for varmint and predator hunting I think I'm a pretty good source of info with first hand experience that someone like you who sounds like this is your first real black rifle might want to listen to instead of getting mad because you think I'm bashing your precious $3000 rifle, these days $3k is becoming an entry level rifle if you want a quality non restricted 223.
I'm not bashing it, I'm just saying that it is not the best choice for certain shooting disciplines while you seem to think that because it was $3000 it should be good for everything.

You are almost correct that shooting from a bench is the best way to sight in a firearm but the truth is that on your belly off sandbags is still more stable. I understand that some ranges don't allow that which is sad and why I bought land I can shoot on so I'm not restricted by stupid rules.
Unfortunately your groups show me that you are not supporting your rifle properly and you are not shooting to the potential of the platform, you will still need to try different brands and weights of ammunition to tighten those groups up.

You want a battle proven platform? Heading off to war with your rifle? Need the most reliable rifle you can buy for when the zombies come?
Militaries buy the cheapest tool that will pass the reliability test. There are always better options than milspec or battle proven. Don't forget that they have armourers for a reason, everything breaks and having an expert there to fix things is required no matter what rifle is being used.

The Tavor and if the X95 is as well built are great rifles that are for the the most part very reliable but nothing you do will make them an accurate rifle if you are comparing them to the potential of some of the other platforms available, they excel in other areas and like you mention are not 3 meters long.
 
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cr5 said:
Leave your thread? Lol, back to the comments of ten year old children.
First of all this thread was started by Dilligaf so eat a d!_k, it is not yours and you have no say in anything regarding who can comment or what they can say.
Secondly, since this is a public forum I can say anything I want about any comment made by any person on this site. You don't have to agree and you're free to argue/debate all you like.
Thirdly, don't get so defensive, we don't have to agree on anything. We all have an opinion and if you like your X95 then good for you but don't try to tell me that 25 yard groups of over an inch should impress anyone. I was doing better than that with my Tavor and it was sold off after a couple months.
Fourth, since I own or have owned pretty much every non restricted black rifle we're allowed to have in Canada other than the newest releases and used them for varmint and predator hunting I think I'm a pretty good source of info with first hand experience that someone like you who sounds like this is your first real black rifle might want to listen to instead of getting mad because you think I'm bashing your precious $3000 rifle, these days $3k is becoming an entry level rifle if you want a quality non restricted 223.
I'm not bashing it, I'm just saying that it is not the best choice for certain shooting disciplines while you seem to think that because it was $3000 it should be good for everything.

You are almost correct that shooting from a bench is the best way to sight in a firearm but the truth is that on your belly off sandbags is still more stable. I understand that some ranges don't allow that which is sad and why I bought land I can shoot on so I'm not restricted by stupid rules.
Unfortunately your groups show me that you are not supporting your rifle properly and you are most likely not shooting to the potential of the platform, you will also need to try different brands and weights of ammunition to tighten those groups up.

You want a battle proven platform? Heading off to war with your rifle? Need the most reliable rifle you can buy for when the zombies come?
Militaries buy the cheapest tool that will pass the reliability test. There are always better options than milspec or battle proven. Don't forget that they have armourers for a reason, everything breaks and having an expert there to fix things is required no matter what rifle is being used.

The Tavor and if the X95 is as well built are great rifles that are built well and for the the most part are very reliable but nothing you do will make them an accurate rifle if you are comparing them to the potential of some of the other platforms available, they excel in other areas and like you mention are not 3 meters long.
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That aught to settle it.
 
It's always interesting to see how people get jumped on here. It's no wonder no one participates in discussions.
This is why we can't have nice stuff........
 
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