Asked to provide pictures of lower to RCMP before they will complete transfer?
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Why?
Anybody having made a homemade lower in the past 10 years had to send in the exact same pictures showing the firing control group pocket. Ie. they already have the pictures of all the homemade lowers on file. So they already know what they look like.
The hole reason they wanted the picture of the FCG pocket was to see if it was thin or thick walled.
In fact, the homemade lowers are more likely to be kosher because of the fact that every single one of them had to have pictures submitted when they were registered.
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It' not so much about being thin or thick walled as much as the distance and space between the walls. Many 80% owners have completely machined the space out which in the eyes of the lab allows the dreaded modification. They know this.
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We are in the same territory as the argument over magazine to pinned to 10 rounds. Just pop the rivet and you are a criminal. If the guy had the knowledge to finish a lower, once it's all said and approved, what's stopping him from putting it back on the mill and doing it? His willingness to comply with the law. That's it.
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You have an anti gun political activist federal police force with an equally anti gun majority liberal government that is backing (or perhaps in many cases prompting behind the scenes) every anti gun play they make.
For the time being they are God of the realm of firearms policy and above the law.
Unless you take it to court once you refuse to provide the photos and they refuse to process the transfer.
Good luck getting a letter of refusal out of them.
Except that the lab will have known this the second the pictures (which are requested for every single homemade lower one registers with the SFSS and has been for ages) are submitted.
That's why they want you to submit pictures, to make sure there's no sear pin hole and to make sure you can't fit an auto sear, and that the serial number you stamped/engraved was what you said it was.
Anyone who completes (or has in the past completed) an 80% lower and machined the FCG too wide at the back will have been told that the second they send the pics in, and their lower won't have been approved.
Personally, I haven't heard (or seen any proof) of one instance of this happening to someone. Have you? Honest question.
I've made homemade lowers before, and not from 80% forging but from solid blocks of aluminum. And to be honest, anyone having the technical ability to either make a lower from scratch, or complete one from an 80% forging, should be smart enough to have done their homework in finding out what the laws were in regards to manufacturing one, and what was/wasn't permissible to build.
Listen, I get that everyone hates the RCMP/SFSS. I'm not saying you shouldn't. And I completely appreciate that if you, in good faith, bought an *insert brand here* lower that the manufacturer was stupid enough to machine so as to even closely be able to accept an auto sear (which is a serious no-no in the U.S. let alone Canada), that you'd be pissed if you had to surrender through no fault of your own.
But these criteria, despite most people not having heard of them before, are not new. As has been said before, 99% of commercially available lowers in the U.S./Canada are made to these criteria.
And yes, anyone capable of machining/completing their own lower is fully capable of remachining it to make it prohibited. But that's like saying most people are capable of cooking meth in their basement, despite it being illegal. Most people don't want to go to jail.
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Okay, my lower may have a wider opening. I've not been told it's prohibited. Waiting for the day. Still ridiculous they go back on an original FRT. Over a crime that hasn't taken place.
And if you have a 'wide opening' lower through no fault of your own, like I said, I completely appreciate you being pi$$sed, ESPECIALLY if you had no clue one way or the other what the RCMP (or ATF) considered a F/A lower. As it stands now, you have a legally registered lower until your certificate is revoked, at which point you should take it to court.
There's also real double edged sword when it comes to the RCMP;
When the RCMP doesn't inspect firearms (taking the word of importers and manufacturers as to what they are) and then later finds out they don't conform to the current laws, everybody hates them for correcting the mistake.
When the RCMP actually spends the time and energy to check out firearms in advance before they're approved, every hates them for taking so long to do it (when realistically it's probably in gun owners best interests so that it doesn't get seized later).
I don't particularly like all the gun laws on the books.
I think I should be able to own full auto firearms and suppressors.
But for better or worse, until we can can work to change them, we're unfortunately bound by them.
I personally don't like the lab because I've personally seen one of their "techs" spend literal years of his time seeing one of his brain child ideas through to fruition, and then act as if it was no big deal. If he's an indicator of the other people they hire (and I've no reason to believe that he isn't) then they are most definitely hiring employees of a certain ilk in order to reach a goal.
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It does make things a bit risky . A local dealer has an American Tactical Omni for 499 bucks new ; I thought about buying it , but some have said that the Omni is one of the ARs that is on the RCMP hit list.....maybe that's why the dealer has reduced the price ?
If a local dealer tried selling a rifle they knew was prohib, that dealer doesn't deserve to be in business. I haven't heard of anyone actually having to turn things in yet. Other than heresay.
These laws aren't about public safety.
I did a google search of the Omni plastic lower, they do appear to have thin walls.
The "hybrid" appears to be ok. The walls are thicker and have the bump.
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Just initiated the transfer, no questions asked regarding details of the receiver just the usual questionnaire. Just like every other transfer I've ever done. I'd say if someone asks you about the details of the receiver walls, hang up and try again.
Show them we're not going to play this game.
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.....thanks for the pics and info about the ATI Omni guys .
