1st AR, Optic Choices?

Get an Eotech. I pissed around with all that crap and that one is by far the best. It's so easy to use and it looks mall ninja cool.

Seriously though, spend the money. I spent about that amount (for the Eotech) trying to find something I liked, just trying to avoid spending for what it would've cost for that one in the first place. I'll never go back to another sight. Even some aimpoint guys shooting mine like it more.
 
1newgunnut said:
Get an Eotech. I pissed around with all that crap and that one is by far the best. It's so easy to use and it looks mall ninja cool.

Seriously though, spend the money. I spent about that amount (for the Eotech) trying to find something I liked, just trying to avoid spending for what it would've cost for that one in the first place. I'll never go back to another sight. Even some aimpoint guys shooting mine like it more.
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I think you and I are in the minority, at least publicly, as EOTech's are no longer cool to like.
 
OldFrankHog said:
Sorry, I just followed the link to CTCs and it said 3 years. The 7.62x39 does say lifetime. And the 1-8x says lifetime too so I'm sure it's just a mistake but the reticle is really weird. And ranging is on a secondary reticle to the right? And is done with a 5'10" height? On the bdc of the vortex it's 18" width, much more useful for other things than human sized targets.
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they have some old stock. if you email them and specify the Gen III model, you'll get it. Just email them and ask.

PA has the best reticle overall.
 
Wester said:
Yes I am another one who bit at the M&P 15 Sport II deal. Now the decision for an optic. I have looked a bit and came across the Primary Arms 1-6X24mm SFP Riflescope with Patented ACSS Gen III. Lifetime warranty apparently and youboobers seem to like it with good value for dollar.

My old eyes would benefit from a scope better than a red dot me thinks. Any thoughts?
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Curious if you have decided on anything yet? My mind is made up on a red dot with a flip to side magnifier. But, Ill have to save for a while. Unless anybody can recommend an economical red dot/ magnifier setup. My budget is frugal at best right now... but id like to buy something entry level to try out in the meantime.
 
josh1976 said:
Curious if you have decided on anything yet? My mind is made up on a red dot with a flip to side magnifier. But, Ill have to save for a while. Unless anybody can recommend an economical red dot/ magnifier setup. My budget is frugal at best right now... but id like to buy something entry level to try out in the meantime.
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An eotech with g33 is going to go around 1400, you can get an agog for that price
 
I also bought a S&W M&P, and it doesn't make sense to me to throw a thousand dollar optic on a $700 AR. Bushnell has a 25% off promotion going on right now, so I picked up a 1-4x24 AR Optics scope. Illuminated .223 BDC reticle, FFP, flip up handle for changing power. I'm hoping to get into 3-gun this year, and figure that set-up will do nicely for under a thousand bucks (Also bought a cheap-o 30mm QD cantilever mount on Amazon for 30 bucks, we'll see how that goes, haha) They have a SFP, non illuminated version without the handle for cheaper.
 
What's best question needs to be qualified??

What style of shooting are you intending?
What ranges?
Is this a range Queen or are you going to beat on it? Barricaded shooting/3 gun and transition drills etc?

1st thing you need to separate is dot vs optic?
Frankly if one is shooting humanoid targets at 100m and under a decent quality dot sight with appropriate moa size dot is ideal....fast, accurate, durable, user friendly and in line with how an AR is designed for shooting.

Obviously if you are expecting or needing precision then an optic is better.
a 4x is good for compactness and enough precision for 100m shooting...again if further precision is required then up the mag.

There is basically 3 different AR setups...
A dot equipped rifle up to ~14.5in for fast shooting/plinking etc at humanoid sized targets out to 100m or so.
A 4x optic rifle up to ~ 18in to afford some precision and magnification but still compact and with the right optic still able to be fast at close quarters.
A "DMR" or designated marksman rifle up to ~20in with an optic with decent magnification for precision and or longer range engagement capability.
 
As for price....

You can get decent performance for ~ $300 range in both dot and optic setups for an AR.
Vortex and Redfield offer a decent quality dot that is functional/durable/user friendly.
For optics again there are several options in the 1-4x range from Bushnell/Vortex and several others that are decent quality/durable/effective.
Spending more $$ than this will get you better durability and cool factor but practically not much if any better performance.

If going to a optic greater than 4x obviously the same rule applies to cost vs performance etc applies just like any other optic/rifle application.
 
josh1976 said:
Curious if you have decided on anything yet? My mind is made up on a red dot with a flip to side magnifier. But, Ill have to save for a while. Unless anybody can recommend an economical red dot/ magnifier setup. My budget is frugal at best right now... but id like to buy something entry level to try out in the meantime.
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The PA 1-6x Gen III is really compelling but @$450 plus tax has me rethinking a 1x red dot @$300. Hmm. . . . .
 
Wester said:
The PA 1-6x Gen III is really compelling but @$450 plus tax has me rethinking a 1x red dot @$300. Hmm. . . . .
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PA also makes a RDS in conjunction with Holosun that has a BDC built in. Give that a look. It is also available at CTCS last I checked.
 
Curious if you have decided on anything yet? My mind is made up on a red dot with a flip to side magnifier. But, Ill have to save for a while. Unless anybody can recommend an economical red dot/ magnifier setup. My budget is frugal at best right now... but id like to buy something entry level to try out in the meantime.
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Bushnell TRS-25 High-Rise; https://www.alflahertys.com/collect...d-dot-ar-optics-trs-25-hirise-1x25mm-ar731306

combined with UTG 3x Magnifier; https://www.westernmetal.ca/shooting/utg-3x-magnifier-scp-mf3weqs

That's probably the best lower cost set-up of that style.

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The illuminated Nikon® Black Force 1000 Riflescope is coming out soon too. I just noticed it yesterday on the Cabela.ca website. ETA must be close.
 
Donster 125 said:
PA also makes a RDS in conjunction with Holosun that has a BDC built in. Give that a look. It is also available at CTCS last I checked.
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Thanks and good point. The RDS comes with a mount the 1-6x doesn't so by the time you add the cost of a decent mount at @$150, the optic is nearly the price of the gun.
 
The problem with RDS is you gotta pay to play. Save up for a really good one. Shoot irons till then. Even with the Vortex, TRS-25 or Holosun, you will eventually want a better one as you progress in the AR world.

If your optics say Aimpoint, Trijicon, Leupold or (arguably) Eotech, then you will likely be satisfied.

Just shot a TAC rifle match. One stage required 10 shots at 200yds. I came in 3rd on that stage with 7 shots in the A zone, with an un-magnified T-1, against guys using 1-4x. It can be done but your optics have to be on your side.
 
Still alive said:
The problem with RDS is you gotta pay to play. Save up for a really good one. Shoot irons till then. Even with the Vortex, TRS-25 or Holosun, you will eventually want a better one as you progress in the AR world.

If your optics say Aimpoint, Trijicon, Leupold or (arguably) Eotech, then you will likely be satisfied.

Just shot a TAC rifle match. One stage required 10 shots at 200yds. I came in 3rd on that stage with 7 shots in the A zone, with an un-magnified T-1, against guys using 1-4x. It can be done but your optics have to be on your side.
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Time to invest in an ACOG?
 
Nice thing about the PA 1-6x Gen III is it helps you guess-timate range. May or may not be a feature you need.
The Holosun has the BDC, but you have have to determine range on your own.
 
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