- Location
- Republic of Alberta
Wasn't soon a few months ago? Lol
Nea 102
- Thread starter DILLIGAF
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P0WERWAGON
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
- Location
- burnaby BC كافر
When you're waiting on the firearms lab soon could mean 2 years.
Definitely, but at least you know they have an awesome warranty. Think of it like buying a Vortex scope, it will probably be ok but there have been a lot of reports of issues and also of good warranty service
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F22_RaptoR
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- Edmonton, Alberta
With junk ammo.
My Tikka T3 Tac shoots 3-4moa with American eagle 150gr soft points. With Hornady 168gr. A-max it does under 1" 5-shot groups, and I can hit 6" steel gongs out to 600 yards.
So you can't hope garbage ammo will do under 2" groups or something spectacular.
I said with American Eagle 150gr FMJ, if it will do 3-4 moa with cheap stuff there is potential for much better with quality ammo. Also, if it uses a standard AR-10 barrel it's an easy swap to a quality barrel to start chasing the moa dream.
Ammo selection has as much to do with accuracy as the rifle does, my Kreiger barreled M14 won't shoot 1 moa with cheap FMJ, heck even my Cadex (just sold it) with Bartlein barrel would only do around 2 moa with AE 150gr.
- Location
- East of Home, West of the Rest
It's plinking ammo.
The difference is that when you decide to spend a little more on ammo this rifle should be able to do sub 2 moa and possibly close to 1 moa but an SKS will never do better than 3 moa on it's best day with any ammo. If you think that it's reasonable to expect a rifle to shoot 1-2 moa with any ammo I think you have a reality check coming. Even my Cadex Guardian Lite with a Bartlien barrel would only shoot American Eagle 150gr into just a little better than 2 inches at 100 yards. Cheap ammo typically gives poor results in most rifles no matter how good the barrel is or how good the shooter is.
In the end you're not buying a precision rifle here, you're not buying a DMR regardless of the length of the barrel. You're buying a civilian version of a military battle rifle and if you want to see 1 moa or better then chances are pretty good you will need to spend $500+ on a barrel for it. We may get lucky and find a type of ammo the stock barrel likes that will shoot well but to expect it to shoot well with any crap you feed it is unrealistic.
How many sub moa groups have you ever shot with a semi automatic?
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My point is that the $200 SKS can only do 3-4 moa no matter what ammo you feed it and this $1700 rifle while it may only do 3-4 moa with crap ammo should be capable of much better with quality ammo which is no different than any other rifle of decent quality that costs the same or more.
Also factor in that most shooters are not capable of shooting 1 moa or better and it makes even less difference if the rifle can only shoot 2 moa. If you just want to sit at a bench trying to shoot tiny groups then a bolt action is a better choice but if you want to use it in the field for action shooting sports or predator/ medium game hunting then 2 moa is more than adequate.
What action shooting games would you use a 308 semi for?
Be a bit jumpy dumping a mag wouldn't it?
I'd like one for hunting,where sub MOA is important??? Or at least MOA.
2 to 3 MOA off the bench,with a 9 or 10 lb gun,would equate to 10 MOA, off handed...
Be a bit jumpy dumping a mag wouldn't it?
I'd like one for hunting,where sub MOA is important??? Or at least MOA.
2 to 3 MOA off the bench,with a 9 or 10 lb gun,would equate to 10 MOA, off handed...
OldFrankHog
CGN frequent flyer
- Location
- Gatineau QC
Sub moa for hunting? I hunt with a bead sighted shotgun or a ghost ringed .308... If you fell the need to kill deer at a mile then yes I agree you need a sub moa. Bolt action rifle that is.
Well not a mile , but 300 yards is a stretch for open sights, isn't it?
Off handed,10 lb rig,heart pointing,3 MOA gun,300 yard shot.maybe?
I'm asking because I've never tryed a 300 yrd shot with open sights.
OldFrankHog
CGN frequent flyer
- Location
- Gatineau QC
I wouldn't be confident in a kill shot past 50~70 yards with open sights. I never had to hunt anything further than that. Animals are dumb, put food down, back up 50 feet and wait. I've heard about the great moose hunts and Caribou hunts in the north but from what I heard it's basically target shooting. Spotter and all. And very irresponsible as they will take anyone no matter the competency. I've seen videos, "miss, miss, miss..." what the F... They are basically throwing covering fire down range at the helks... We all like a good shooting rifle but if I have to reach out to 300+ my first choice is not a semi, it's a bolt with a 6-24x scope...
I've seen videos of the 102 accuracy and it was pretty good.....I personally just don't see any value in being satisfied with 3 or 4 moa rifle at that cost and wouldn't be wasting my money on ammo if thats all it would do.. ..as I said before, just my humble opinion.
