Shotgun for 3 gun

You guys with the long mag tubes longer than your barrel. Do you get lead deposits on the extension after a shoot?

Yes, especially from slugs. I've always thought the white deposits that don't come off with regular cleaning techniques is lead.

Well I just sent in a new Versamax Sportsman to Casey at TacOrd ...Getting the "Full Meal Deal " . lol
Barrel cut to 23 inches , 2 extended chokes, larger bolt release and cocking handle, match saver installed , receiver milled out etc .
I went with the uber cool coated bolt so it should look just like the one in the above pics as well but didn't get the larger safety. The stock one looks big enough to me.

Personally I'd advise staying longer on barrel length. IMO 26-28 is ideal. 23 is going to cost you knock-down power on distant steel. Not all clubs set up that kind of steel target, but when you get to a match where they do, or there is a spinner, the length will pay off.
 
Yes, especially from slugs. I've always thought the white deposits that don't come off with regular cleaning techniques is lead.

Thanks. Good to know I ain't broke or will break anything. I managed to get rid of most of the silvery stuff with some Gunzilla but meh, if it's gonna get deposits, it's gonna get it. Just the nature of the beast.
 
Personally I'd advise staying longer on barrel length. IMO 26-28 is ideal. 23 is going to cost you knock-down power on distant steel. Not all clubs set up that kind of steel target, but when you get to a match where they do, or there is a spinner, the length will pay off.

I disagree with this statement. For 3 gun I think 26"-28" is too long. I have never had an issue knocking down even the heaviest steel targets with a choked 20" barrel. Not saying 20" is ideal but with the right choke I'd much prefer a 21"-24" barrel over anything longer. Just my 2 cents.
 
I disagree with this statement. For 3 gun I think 26"-28" is too long. I have never had an issue knocking down even the heaviest steel targets with a choked 20" barrel. Not saying 20" is ideal but with the right choke I'd much prefer a 21"-24" barrel over anything longer. Just my 2 cents.

Yes you're correct.

For shotguns, with a longer barrel you wont really see any increase in velocity since all of the powder burns within about the first 20 inches. Below 20" you will start to see a drop.

Lots of info out there where people have tested this and even cut down a 30" barrel one inch at a time and measured the velocity differences after each cut.
 
Yes you're correct.

For shotguns, with a longer barrel you wont really see any increase in velocity since all of the powder burns within about the first 20 inches. Below 20" you will start to see a drop.

Lots of info out there where people have tested this and even cut down a 30" barrel one inch at a time and measured the velocity differences after each cut.

I'm OK with you guys disagreeing.

Kane, it isn't a function of velocity, it is the pattern of the shot at distance that changes with barrel length, and that's where I feel they have an advantage.
 
I'm OK with you guys disagreeing.

Kane, it isn't a function of velocity, it is the pattern of the shot at distance that changes with barrel length, and that's where I feel they have an advantage.

Fair enough but that's where a good selection of chokes can help. Also, if the pattern is too tight you may need to take more time aiming your shots.
 
Here's a video on shotgun patterns VS barrel Length, you can find quite a few of these videos now, Good watches basically showing patterns VS different lengths.
 
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I'm no engineer or uber shooter but most factory shotguns for this game barrels land between 21-24".
That can't be by accident.
Nor is the fact that most use removable chokes
However, in the case of length, in my opinion the differences are so small that it's the archer not the arrow.
 
Why are semi-auto shotguns so friggen expensive? I keep thinking I want one...but I am not sure I can bring myself to spend $1800+ on a shotgun. I will have to stick to my pump SXP for now anyways.
 
Why are semi-auto shotguns so friggen expensive? I keep thinking I want one...but I am not sure I can bring myself to spend $1800+ on a shotgun. I will have to stick to my pump SXP for now anyways.

You obviously missed that TTI M2 for $4800, but that's relatively affordable compare to a Beretta DT11 or SO5...
 
Why are semi-auto shotguns so friggen expensive? I keep thinking I want one...but I am not sure I can bring myself to spend $1800+ on a shotgun. I will have to stick to my pump SXP for now anyways.

The Stoeger M3K seems to be a hot item these days. Under $800 and ready for 3 Gun out of the box. That was my original route but couldn't find one in stock for months. I ended up splurging a bit on the Beretta 1301 Comp for $1600 that's pretty much 3Gun ready like the M3K. Go figure, after it arrived, retailers got stock of the M3Ks!
 
I'm OK with you guys disagreeing.

Kane, it isn't a function of velocity, it is the pattern of the shot at distance that changes with barrel length, and that's where I feel they have an advantage.

Oh of course I'm ok with disagreement too, that what discussion is born from.

Barrel length also doesn't have an affect on the shot pattern, you wont see an improved pattern solely due to a longer barrel.

The pattern is determed by how much choke is used. Of course better quality chokes in a better quality barrel will give a more uniform pattern, but everything being equil between two barrels with the only difference being the length (lest say a 21" and an 30") the pattern will be the same.

Better quality barrels will also generally give better patterns due to things like improved length and geometry of the forcing cones.

And when you think about it it makes sense, i mean the shot pellets are fully contained within the wad until after they've left the barrel, so what is the extra length going to change? On that note too, better quality ammo with better wad designs will also generally provide a better pattern.

The advantages you get with a longer barrel are a more stable swing, which it great for shooting moving clays/birds in flight and an improved sight radius with makes it easier to be precise. These reasons are why barrels in the 30" range are great for things like sporting clays where targets are small and far away. But you're not getting any more velocity or tighter of a pattern from them.

Shotguns are a strange beast though when you compare then to rifles or even pistols, so much has to do with personal fit and feel that there is no universal, different things work for different people. And when you find what works for you it's... very satisfying.
 
Here's a video on shotgun patterns VS barrel Length, you can find quite a few of these videos now, Good watches basically showing patterns VS different lengths.

Just saw this after I posted the reply above, great video and exactly what I'm talking about.

Thanks for posting.
 
OK I watched the video. Maybe I am wrong about barrel length advantages / disadvantages. Good info here.

Now when guys fail to neutralize the target I know it's the archer and not the arrow, hehe.

I have access to a 28" and 24" VersaMax. I'll see if I can do a similar pattern test as above with same ammo, distance, and choke tube sometime this summer.
 
You get a longer sight radius with the longer barrel, but not a lot else performance wise. I'm tall and have a +9 tube for the states that sticks out well past my 26" barrel, so the 26 works great for me, but if I were building a Canada specific 3 gun shotgun I would likely go a little shorter. That being said I like showing up at the shotgun club with my hopped up Benelli and a big tube for some sporting clays or skeet :D.
 
I've shot the standard 930 in 3 gun for 2 or 3 seasons.... They are a decent enough gun but not very well suited to quad loading

Just gotta keep the gas ports clean

Can you elaborate on that? My buddy has a 930 and it rechambers the odd spent hull in wet conditions. Have you run into this problem?
 
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