big bore choice?
- Thread starter hawk-i
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- Location
- In the shadows of the Rockies
I just had a 416 Taylor built - WBee Vanguard action - Bob Jury 22.5 " SS #5 barrel -Timney trigger - B&C Alum bed block stock - Night Force Pic Base - Gotta get some rings yet and mount up the LEO VX111 1.75-6 x scope then get it out shooting and hunting !RJ
Another fine 416 round. I like your scope choice.
BigUglyMan
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- Location
- New Scotland
I just had to buy a box of Norma factory ammo for my 470 NE because having a rifle and no ammo is unimaginable to me. $219+GST for a box...of 10. Glad I bought it in Alberta not Nova Scotia!
- Location
- Somewhere on the Hudson Bay Coast
The nice thing about a .458 though is that its velocity range is suitable for shooting cast bullets; that easies the big bore sticker shock a bit.
You still have to invest in all the casting equipment which I grant you is cheaper but I mean really aside from "because I can" or "a fun gun" why does anyone on this continent need a 458? 338 or 375 of your choice would drop anything we can hunt in NA...
Not trying to start an argument here, just stating an opinion because I'd rather not lug a 12+ pound rifle around in the bush. But that's me.
- Location
- Southern Vancouver Island
Well, fer me at least, the .458 is a wonderful performer on game and is my favorite cartridge for 50-100 yd."running deer" target shoots. (They'd like me in Sweden on the 80 meter "running moose" target test.)
True, the .458 Win Mag can be a handful for folks used to hunting with lighter rifles and chamberings , but it's
versatility tends to negate the downside of added weight for many who work with it.
On the fun side, the .458 is a howl on pest critters like gophers,rabbits,coons & coyotes and is beauty on tree
pruning missions.
Well, fer me at least, the .458 is a wonderful performer on game and is my favorite cartridge for 50-100 yd."running deer" target shoots. (They'd like me in Sweden on the 80 meter "running moose" target test.)
True, the .458 Win Mag can be a handful for folks used to hunting with lighter rifles and chamberings , but it's
versatility tends to negate the downside of added weight for many who work with it.
On the fun side, the .458 is a howl on pest critters like gophers,rabbits,coons & coyotes and is beauty on tree
pruning missions.
At that point you might as well use a 40mm grenade launcher don't ya think?
- Location
- Southern Vancouver Island
At that point you might as well use a 40mm grenade launcher don't ya think?
Maybe.
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When following a wounded bear into the thick stuff its nice to know that no matter what the angle is I can punch thru the vitals and break heavy bone all the way thru
However the most important to some is "Mines bigger than Yours" lol
Honestly though the 458 wm does a great job on game without excessive meat damage when using the proper bullet
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- In the shadows of the Rockies
Reduced chance of your quarry buggering off into the thickets when properly shot with a 40+ caliber. And great to have in a measuring contest. Just look at the girth on that thing.
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Reduced chance of your quarry buggering off into the thickets when properly shot with a 40+ caliber. And great to have in a measuring contest. Just look at the girth on that thing.
Its not the size that matters its how you use it.
I grant you if i hunted big bears on a regular basis i could see a use for it, however at this point in time i live in SE ontario and deer season is shotgun only. And I'm pretty sure a 12 ga slug is a bit bigger than a 458 bullet...
- Location
- Somewhere on the Hudson Bay Coast
I don't cast, neither do I swage jacketed bullets, yet I have a few hundred pounds of both jacketed and cast bullets on hand. The cast are less expensive than jacketed bullets of equal weight. I don't shoot cast in everything, fast twist barrels for example are unsuitable for shooting cast unless the velocity is below 1200 fps, but I do enjoy shooting cast in my .30, .375, and .458 rifles, and .357 and .44 handguns.
Chop off the .458 barrel at 21", shorten the LOP to something useable, and your 12 pound rifle is down to 9.5 pounds or so; no ultralight, but somewhat more tolerable to carry all day.
"Need" is not pertinent to anyone's gun choice, and questioning one's "need" is insulting, in the same vein as asking, "Why does anyone "need" an AR-15?" Some folks appreciate the performance that a big bore brings to the table, others want to own and shoot rifle cartridges that span the full range of modern ballistics, and then there are those whose hunting adventures take them to the far corners of the earth. If big bore rifles aren't your thing, that's fine, but you don't "need" to disparage the choices of others with questions of need.
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- Location
- In the shadows of the Rockies
Even with the dense laminate stock my 23" barrel 458 Win. Mag. Remington 798 weighs only 9.1 lbs as shown.
Big bores - there's no replacement for displacement.
458 WM Remington 798 with Leupold M8 Compact 4x28mm
Big bores - there's no replacement for displacement.
458 WM Remington 798 with Leupold M8 Compact 4x28mm
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If a person was set on the .458 Winchester Magnum - then getting a .458 Lott would only be more of a better thing. You could also throw .458 winnies in there without issue. A big CZ in .458 Lott would be a big temptation for me. I also love the ballistics of the big .416 too.
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- In the shadows of the Rockies
The 458 Lott has about 200 fps over the 458 WM. If firing 458 WM rounds in my 458 Lott I prefer to seat the bullet out further to minimize the distance the bullet has to jump to engage the lands. Better accuracy and less throat erosion.
My 458 Lott hunting load is a 350gr TSX at 2500 fps MV. I also load the 500gr in my 458 Lott using 458 WM brass and a compressed charge of Re19 to keep the bullet from getting knocked back into the case. Muzzle speed is a mild 1850 fps - more than enough for heavy game (any faster - I would really hate to crack the stock on my old Sako rifle).
My 458 Lott hunting load is a 350gr TSX at 2500 fps MV. I also load the 500gr in my 458 Lott using 458 WM brass and a compressed charge of Re19 to keep the bullet from getting knocked back into the case. Muzzle speed is a mild 1850 fps - more than enough for heavy game (any faster - I would really hate to crack the stock on my old Sako rifle
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I don't cast, neither do I swage jacketed bullets, yet I have a few hundred pounds of both jacketed and cast bullets on hand. The cast are less expensive than jacketed bullets of equal weight. I don't shoot cast in everything, fast twist barrels for example are unsuitable for shooting cast unless the velocity is below 1200 fps, but I do enjoy shooting cast in my .30, .375, and .458 rifles, and .357 and .44 handguns.
Chop off the .458 barrel at 21", shorten the LOP to something useable, and your 12 pound rifle is down to 9.5 pounds or so; no ultralight, but somewhat more tolerable to carry all day.
"Need" is not pertinent to anyone's gun choice, and questioning one's "need" is insulting, in the same vein as asking, "Why does anyone "need" an AR-15?" Some folks appreciate the performance that a big bore brings to the table, others want to own and shoot rifle cartridges that span the full range of modern ballistics, and then there are those whose hunting adventures take them to the far corners of the earth. If big bore rifles aren't your thing, that's fine, but you don't "need" to disparage the choices of others with questions of need.
And you missed the part where I said "I wasn't trying to start an argument". I was asking of my own curiosity because I've never shot anything bigger than a 30-06. I wasn't trying to be rude, I'm relatively new to hunting and shooting, only had my license 3 years. My family who i do my hunting with really don't shoot any rifles bigger than a 257 weatherby for yotes and since I'm in southern ontario shotgun for deer....
