Man, that's good info, I love the CQMR reticle on my razor, it's a stepped duplex with and open center and 1/4 MOA dot, uncluttered is my thing, can't stand all the thick BDC reticles these days, especially on a lower mag scope. The 7x mag could be just right for my modern Hunter, I think our tastes in rifles may be opposite, mines more tactical, carbon fibre, semi auto, but the glass seems to be something we agree on. Thanks again.
Hunting with 1-4,1-6,1-8 scopes
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Man, that's good info, I love the CQMR reticle on my razor, it's a stepped duplex with and open center and 1/4 MOA dot, uncluttered is my thing, can't stand all the thick BDC reticles these days, especially on a lower mag scope. The 7x mag could be just right for my modern Hunter, I think our tastes in rifles may be opposite, mines more tactical, carbon fibre, semi auto, but the glass seems to be something we agree on. Thanks again.
I was also a fan of the 1-4x20mm Leupold scopes for many years; at one time I think owned 8 of them. I love the light weight and the slick look of them. They can be mounted very low, but this benefit is largely imaginary, since maintaining a sufficient mounting height to allow cycling the bolt or thumbing the hammer usually places them high enough that a much larger objective would still fit.
I moved away from them due to low light performance limitations. Yes, they do have a 5mm exit pupil, but as 9.3mauser pointed out this is only part of the picture. Try to compare a 1-4x20mm scope with a 3.5-10x50mm one of equivalent quality at dusk (both offer the same 5mm exit pupil at maximum magnification), and then try to talk yourself into believing that they are equally effective in low light.
I moved away from them due to low light performance limitations. Yes, they do have a 5mm exit pupil, but as 9.3mauser pointed out this is only part of the picture. Try to compare a 1-4x20mm scope with a 3.5-10x50mm one of equivalent quality at dusk (both offer the same 5mm exit pupil at maximum magnification), and then try to talk yourself into believing that they are equally effective in low light.
Got Juice - as you know I`m in the market for a higher end 1-x power scope and the Sightron 1-7 interests me, have you ever used a Sightron STAC 3-16?
If you have I`m curious as to how they compare - if the 1-7 is as clear/bright as the 3-16 I`m probably gonna get one
The only other scopes that interest me are is the Trijicon 1-8 and I`ve heard a whimper that Nightforce is bringing something along these lines to the party too (which is conspicuously missing from their lineup right now)
Next time I go to the range I`m gonna try both the 1-8 Primary Arms and STAC 3-16 back to back on my X95 to get a "feel" for which direction I want to go with this
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I my belief is that sightron is using S3 glass... it is comperable to my 6-24 ffp. I have looked through the 4-12 sightron SII and his is def a LOT better in terms of glass.
Worse case scenario I could be convinced to send you one of mine to look through. Standing offer
If you are going to look through a bunch, look through them all imho
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There were some 1.5-4.5 and 6 on the market with 36mm diameter lenses. I have one on a 340 Why where it performs admirably. - dan
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The difference is in the lens coatings. The 1-4x, as good as it is, is a VX2, not a VX3 and the coatings are different. Another reason to spend a few more bucks and get the 1.5-5x.
Also the tube diameter makes a big difference I've found. A 1" tube is usually a 20mm objective vs a 30mm tube with 24mm or larger, seems to make a big difference in the scopes I've used. Doesn't just apply to the straigh tubes, a 1" tube with a 50mm obj, won't be as good as a comaparable 30mm tube... usually... in my opinion anyways.
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I would love to try a Modern Hunter
. I have been on a single shot kick for a while. If I fill an Elk tag, I think that I may try the Vector 10mm on deer so long as the shot is under 120m. My latest 200gn loads are showing a great deal of promise.I would love to try a Modern Hunter
Well if your ever in Edmonton when I'm on days off give me a shout and we can put her through the paces.
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I have a VX-3 1.5-5x20mm on my 458 Lott. It's a compact and lightweight scope with good clarity and brightness. Range estimation can be done using the reticle subtensions. However, the following is stated on their website -
"VX-3 models use the Duplex reticle for range estimating as well. If you bracket a deer, you can read the range on the power selector ring."
https://www.leupold.com/reticles/duplex/
https://www.leupold.com/hunting-shooting/scopes/vx-3i-riflescopes/
458 Lott Custom Sako AV Hunter with Leupold VX-3 1.5-5x20mm
Really?? How does that work on this scope?
"VX-3 models use the Duplex reticle for range estimating as well. If you bracket a deer, you can read the range on the power selector ring."
https://www.leupold.com/reticles/duplex/
https://www.leupold.com/hunting-shooting/scopes/vx-3i-riflescopes/
458 Lott Custom Sako AV Hunter with Leupold VX-3 1.5-5x20mm
Really?? How does that work on this scope?
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The reticle, from the center of the crosshairs to the start of the thicker outside lines, subtends a specific size of target at various magnifications. You should be able to find out this target size on the Leupold website; I believe it's 18 inches, but not sure.
Basically, you zoom the power up or down until a target of that known size fits between the crosshair and the thicker lines. You then read the target distance (in hundreds of yards) from the secondary set of numbers on the magnification scale. Crude, and with the proliferation of laser rangefinders today not as popular as it once was, but still better than nothing.
Basically, you zoom the power up or down until a target of that known size fits between the crosshair and the thicker lines. You then read the target distance (in hundreds of yards) from the secondary set of numbers on the magnification scale. Crude, and with the proliferation of laser rangefinders today not as popular as it once was, but still better than nothing.
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Using this reticle as a range finder, the thin section opening subtends 17.1" at 100 yards so twice that or 34.2" at 200 yards. A big Moose is about 36" backbone to brisket so when sighted if it fits the thin section then the range is about 200 yards, or if it fits 1/2 the thin section the range is about 400 yards.
A ballistic reticle like on my Nikon 3-9x would be better than a duplex reticle because it can be used as a range finder and it provides the hold points. Less guesswork.
A big Moose at 4x, estimated range 600 to 700 meters (?). More magnification than 1.5-5x would be better in this scenario.
From http://spoton.nikonsportoptics.com/spoton/spoton.html#Index:4 for my 416 Ruger load and Nikon 3-9x40mm -
A ballistic reticle like on my Nikon 3-9x would be better than a duplex reticle because it can be used as a range finder and it provides the hold points. Less guesswork.
A big Moose at 4x, estimated range 600 to 700 meters (?). More magnification than 1.5-5x would be better in this scenario.
From http://spoton.nikonsportoptics.com/spoton/spoton.html#Index:4 for my 416 Ruger load and Nikon 3-9x40mm -
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I my belief is that sightron is using S3 glass... it is comperable to my 6-24 ffp. I have looked through the 4-12 sightron SII and his is def a LOT better in terms of glass.
Worse case scenario I could be convinced to send you one of mine to look through. Standing offer
I have a 10-50 S3 so thats interesting
Just sent you a PM
I have only looked through a 6-24x Vortex PST which was surprisingly clear, I`d still say the STAC was the clearest followed by the PST (not much between them) and the Strike Eagle is usable but just not as crisp
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The PST is good glass. The Strike Eagle is not. If I had to pick between the 1-4pst and the Strike Eagle 1-6, I will take clarity and low distortion over the extra 2X any day.
I hunt most often with something like a 2-7, and find most of the time it is on the low setting. If I am sitting on a ridge, I might crank it up to 4X.
I have some 1-4 and 1-5 scopes on AR-15s. Never yet used the 1X setting. In thick bush 2X or 2.5X seems ok, so would not look for a 1-4 scope for hunting.
Other than a useful zoom range, to me the second most important feature is the reticle. When it comes to making accurate shots quickly, I find the post is best, or some variation on the post.
While some scopes are a bit sharper than others, only one is so bad that it would be a factor on deciding to put it on a hunting rifle. (It is a $100 scope.)
I have some 1-4 and 1-5 scopes on AR-15s. Never yet used the 1X setting. In thick bush 2X or 2.5X seems ok, so would not look for a 1-4 scope for hunting.
Other than a useful zoom range, to me the second most important feature is the reticle. When it comes to making accurate shots quickly, I find the post is best, or some variation on the post.
While some scopes are a bit sharper than others, only one is so bad that it would be a factor on deciding to put it on a hunting rifle. (It is a $100 scope.)
