My IPSC Experience

[dacron]

cause i holstered my gun too fast and ended up muzzle up in my holster

Hahah is this even possible or sarcasm/satire I missed ?? Pretty sure I can't force mine into my bladetech upside down.

 

[euxx]

The biggest problem I can identify is that firearms owners refuse to be criticised. It seems like if you are a new shooter your are full of pee and vinegar and have watched enough youtube videos to know exactly what you are doing. The opposite end of the spectrum is the old boys club who have been shooting for 80 years and know everything about everything even though they have never actually competed in action shooting.

 

[Milanczar]

Conciously incompetent does not give it justice.

Its more like Murphey's Law as to what can go wrong at that point.

 

[Got Juice?]

Funny a few people are down on the RO's. RO's DO NOT DQ people. The shooter does that all by themselves. The RO simply stops the competitor, notes the rule and reason for DQ, and the shooter sits out the rest of the match.

When i took my RO course, one thing was stressed to us by the instructors. if you are 90% sure you see a finger in the trigger guard, the competitor gets the benefit of the doubt. In other words, unless you are 100% certain a violation has occurred there is no DQ. Period.

The rules are there for safety. Like the dropped gun. There is a rule that deals with this, in that the competitor MUST NOT pick up or attempt to retrieve a dropped firearm. 10.5.14


Retrieving a dropped firearm. Dropped firearms must always be retrieved by a Range Officer who will, after checking and/or clearing the firearm, place it directly into the competitor's gun case, gun bag or holster. Dropping an unloaded firearm or causing it to fall outside of a course of fire is not an infraction. However, a competitor who retrieves a dropped firearm will receive a disqualification.

To heap blame on an RO is the worst form of sour grapes. Does a DQ suck? Yes. Is it embarrassing? Yes. Can you learn from the experience? Sure, if you keep an open mind.

 

[snooze98k]

Time to loosen the tin foil hats.
Neither IPSC, IPSC Canada nor the IPSC Sections tell gun clubs that they have to recognize our Black Badge Certification for Holster carry there.
We're flattered & thankful they recognize the inherent safety level of our a certified competitors; but don't force it on anyone. If a club does it, they chose to do it on their own.

For that matter, we don't force IPSC on anyone - if you don't like it, don't do it. Best of luck to you!

We've got almost 4000 members, wait lists for full black badge courses; major matches that sell out in minutes...thousands of matches in the country each year.
We are the largest & most active handgun sport in Canada.
We're thrilled to have you join us, but we'll make it just fine without you too.

Well said.
I am a club rep in Ontario. At no time do we have authority over the clubs house rules.
With a very large member base and persistant range property destruction there are a large swath of people that can not be trusted to use a holster with a loaded firearm without risking the daily operation of the club.

Stuipid is as stupid does.
It only takes one idiot to ruin it.

 

[coreyd]

is this the same coreyed the RO who DQed me few years back cause i holstered my gun too fast and ended up muzzle up in my holster
Damn you .. Damn u bloody apes...Damn u all to hellllllllll (original Charlton Heston version and not the remakes)

No... I don't think you have ever DQ'd while I was actually running you. If you did, to perpetuate the stigma we would still all be laughing at you and putting notches in our RO cards and figuring out who your friends are so we can harass them too cause like all the non-IPSC people think, we have nothing better to do.

See you next Sunday.

cd.

 

[Cameron SS]

What I think is funny is that all the people who have negative opinions of IPSC are the ones who don't shoot IPSC..

Why would anyone continue in an activity that they have strong negative opinions of? This is probably true of everything everywhere.

 

[bsand]

Why would anyone continue in an activity that they have strong negative opinions of? This is probably true of everything everywhere.

Before shooting ipsc/USPSA I didn't want to just because of the hole negative strerotype of type A's pulling out rule books and arguing rules.

Got shooting it asmy clubs idpa style matches ended in winter. Shot uspsa and loved it. Only saw two rule books yet lol.

 

[Cameron SS]

Before shooting ipsc/USPSA I didn't want to just because of the hole negative stereotype of type A's pulling out rule books and arguing rules.

Got shooting it asmy clubs idpa style matches ended in winter. Shot uspsa and loved it. Only saw two rule books yet lol.

I have no issues with rule books, or competitors who argue them. Its a sport. Rules ensure safety and fairness. Nothing wrong with that at all. This happens in every sport, and I highly doubt that any of our more competitive shooting sports would be any better or worse than average. That is rarely the complaint that I see and here at the range or on the forum or elsewhere with regards to the particular sport in question.

 

[bsand]

I have no issues with rule books, or competitors who argue them. Its a sport. Rules ensure safety and fairness. Nothing wrong with that at all. This happens in every sport, and I highly doubt that any of our more competitive shooting sports would be any better or worse than average. That is rarely the complaint that I see and here at the range or on the forum or elsewhere with regards to the particular sport in question.

It's not for safety, it's for gaming stages and or penalizing other competitors. At least the arguments ive heard.

 

[Onagoth]

What I think is funny is that all the people who have negative opinions of IPSC are the ones who don't shoot IPSC.

I'm sure you've seen first hand the conversations on ipsc Ontario's forum and at the AGMs. Fact is, you don't have to look beyond current ipsc members to find negative opinions on ipsc

 

[h1gg1n5]

It's unfortunate that a member of CGN is unable to relate an experience that they have had without being ripped to shreds by ignorant members of the board. What a terrific way to show support for our sport.

I am a new IPSC shooter and have gone to a few matches this year at great cost to myself as they are not close to where I live and with travel and hotel it adds up. For my first match all I could think was safety, safety, safety. This got me through my first match and all others since which is about 4. It's all about getting comfortable with the sport and progressing slowly to learn. I have been scolded a few times for mistakes I have ALMOST made but not DQ'ed as of yet (knock on wood). If someone tells you something listen and learn from it. It amazes me how many people cannot take any critism at all these days.

Sorry you had a bad experience your FIRST DAY but maybe you should have tried a few more times to get a feel for it. My first match was not a super fun filled blast it was just concentration and worry but as they progress they have gotten much more fun. If I quit everything I thought was hard the first try I would be sitting in a lay-z-boy for my entire life rotting away.

As another poster said just own your mistakes and learn form them. As for being ripped apart I do not feel this is a flame thread just people giving their thoughts and expressing frustration at someone who quit after trying something once and asking to be refunded.

 

[heavenIsAlie]

It's not for safety, it's for gaming stages and or penalizing other competitors. At least the arguments ive heard.

I'm all for gaming stages; find everything you can to give yourself an advantage. One of those things might be the .26% you needed to win the match

If you aren't the RO/CRO though, STFU about anything you see that might be against a rule (non safety related of course)

 

[bsand]

I'm all for gaming stages; find everything you can to give yourself an advantage. One of those things might be the .26% you needed to win the match

If you aren't the RO/CRO though, STFU about anything you see that might be against a rule (non safety related of course)

Only time I comment on rules, is when I'm running the tablet or timer.
I had to DQ my first shooter the other day. Did a complete 180 (in wrong direction) going from shooting position to cover (idpa style match). Gun was pointed down and locked back, but God damn did I ever NOT want to do that. Luckily the guy was a good sport and took it well, luckily for him it was last stage of the day.

 

[1riot1ranger]

It's not for safety, it's for gaming stages and or penalizing other competitors.QUOTE]

Wrong.

Clearly you do not understand.

The ONLY safeguards we have are procedural. We don't wear armour, we don't shoot "special" ammunition. We don't shoot from a stacic line (most of the time).

That at is why we MUST be absolutely focused on a training program and strict adherence to a set of rules.

If if you cannot accept that then please stay home. We have rules to protect us.

 

[bsand]

It's not for safety, it's for gaming stages and or penalizing other competitors.QUOTE]

Wrong.

Clearly you do not understand.

The ONLY safeguards we have are procedural. We don't wear armour, we don't shoot "special" ammunition. We don't shoot from a stacic line (most of the time).

That at is why we MUST be absolutely focused on a training program and strict adherence to a set of rules.

If if you cannot accept that then please stay home. We have rules to protect us.

You may want to re-read my statement. The reasons the rule books were brought out in front of me were NOT for safety, instead were for foot faults, and range equipment failures due to driving down steel with 2 consecutive shots IE Gaming the stage. You may want to work on your reading comprehension. If your shooting is anything like your reading comprehension you should stay home.

 

[dacron]

Just wow.

 

[LeadMonkey]

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[mshundal]

I have thought about this for a very long time and have finally decided to speak out about my feelings and issues concerning IPSC as a sport. Several years ago I decided to try and get my IPSC Black Badge. It was something that I just wanted to due because I thought that it would be a terrific experience to add to my shooting resume. However, it wasn't to be. I attended an out of town course of which I had to travel at my own personal expenses including food and lodging while there. I brought with me about 750 rounds of ammo of which I consumed almost 400 rounds. The course was over two days and required that participants meet one week prior to actually taking the course. As you can see, I had to drive to this location twice to take the course. I have to admit that the course was challenging and exciting at the same time. However, at some point, all the participants are required to shoot from either the kneeling, sitting and prone positions. Unfortunately, this is where I ran into a somewhat embarrassing situation. I suffer from arthritis in both of my knees and as a result, It's hard for me to participate in some of these shooting positions. I brought this to the attention of the person conducting the course and I was basically told not to worry about it. If the course instructor had advised me at that point that because of my physical limitations I shouldn’t proceed, I would have accepted his decision and would have withdrawn from the course. Safety was the primary concern which I fully agree with. During the course several people had issues which required that they be taken aside in order to give them personal attention in resolving their problems including safety issues. It was drawn to my attention that I let my finger slip down off the side of the frame of my pistol down towards the trigger area. At no time did my finger actually enter into the trigger guard. By the second day, I felt that I was doing very well with the course. I was waiting to do my turn at a shooting drill when I accidentally dropped my pistol while trying to put it in my Ghost Ultimate holster. God you'd think that I committed the crime of the century when that happened. Anyways, after that, it seemed to me that everything went down hill from there. I felt like a pariah within the group. The climax of the whole weekend reared it's ugly head when, what appeared to those giving the course, that my finger once again dropped down off the slide towards the trigger guard. At this time, I was asked to leave the course. One individual was taken aside for the same thing several times, about six times, for proper instruction. I was instructed twice. Believe me I'm the first person to demand safe procedures at all times when handling any type of firearm. Every time I go through those last few minutes in my head, I'm convinced that it didn't happened and that I was railroaded out of the course do to my health limitations. As I was putting away my stuff in preparation for leaving, one of the other participants, a young fellow, who had watched the whole proceedings, came to me and apologized as he felt I was treated badly and shouldn't have been asked to leave. I thanked him for his kind words. Well there you have my initiation to IPSC. Financially it cost me about $1000 from which my investment resulted in receiving a handshake and a thank you for participating but I wasn't IPSC quality. I asked for and received back my registration form and fee for joining IPSC (membership payment required in order to take the course). However, I never received the money back that we all paid for the instructor. I believe my dismissal from the course was handled in an inappropriate manner. I was embarrassed and humiliated in front of the group. I'm a senior citizen who thought by taking this course that I would learn about the various different aspects of our wonderful hobby and sport, but to no avail.

There are no shortcuts or compromises when it comes to safety - if you are unsafe and a slow learner as implied by your anecdote , I am glad you stayed away.

If you feel discriminated against for being old and not being able to keep up - try something else rather than asking others to slow down.

 

[Got Juice?]

There are no shortcuts or compromises when it comes to safety - if you are unsafe and a slow learner as implied by your anecdote , I am glad you stayed away.

If you feel discriminated against for being old and not being able to keep up - try something else rather than asking others to slow down.

SAVAGE! But therein lies a truth. Some sports are not for everyone.