School me on 10rd LAR-15 mags. NO BEOWULF

hbean said:
Yes, while their opinion is not the law, In this case it is their conclusion that the Beowolf mags are not not manufactured as 50 cal Beowolf mags, but rather a 5.56 mags labeled to fit 50 cal Beowolf rounds, all it take is one look from the top and you can see the half contour of a 5.56 bullet and casing in the plastic follower for stacking the skinnier round, some of the older follower even had 5.56 stamped into the follower!

RCMP overlooked the Beowolf mags in the begining, because it was just a handful for people, but once Youtube videos start popping up telling everybody how wonderful these mags are and companies started to make them in quantities, than news reporters start writing new articles about it, It pretty much forced the RCMP do something.
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You're wasting your time. Just let him get arrested...
 
Before this thread gets derailed any further by the legality of a specific mag that may or may not be lurking in many a gun safe at this moment, I took have been looking for a 10/20 or 10/30 magazine to fill the gap between the abundance of 5/30 PMags and the Beowulf magazine. So far as I can tell, the ten round pistol magazine is the way to go, and to get the look and feel either a coupler or a 'mag extension' are the way to go, although for the price you might as well buy a second magazine and the coupler and practice a different kind of reload.
 
sharpsway said:
Before this thread gets derailed any further by the legality of a specific mag that may or may not be lurking in many a gun safe at this moment, I took have been looking for a 10/20 or 10/30 magazine to fill the gap between the abundance of 5/30 PMags and the Beowulf magazine. So far as I can tell, the ten round pistol magazine is the way to go, and to get the look and feel either a coupler or a 'mag extension' are the way to go, although for the price you might as well buy a second magazine and the coupler and practice a different kind of reload.
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Pretty much, yes.
 
sharpsway said:
Before this thread gets derailed any further by the legality of a specific mag that may or may not be lurking in many a gun safe at this moment, I took have been looking for a 10/20 or 10/30 magazine to fill the gap between the abundance of 5/30 PMags and the Beowulf magazine. So far as I can tell, the ten round pistol magazine is the way to go, and to get the look and feel either a coupler or a 'mag extension' are the way to go, although for the price you might as well buy a second magazine and the coupler and practice a different kind of reload.
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I won't disagree. Personally I'll go with extensions instead if couplers because I don't want to change the way I train for work.

If I was only worried about training civy side then I'd possibly go with couplers.

Thanks for all your responses everyone.
 
I am definitely not an expert on these matters. But my take away from this is that people want to buy or use a 5 shot designed 50cal magazine and it, by chance, holds multiple cartridges of a smaller size. From What I have read, by perusing some of the regulations, if the magazine was not designed with that capacity increase in mind, then they are "legal" (good luck proving that) in Canada. I use the term legal very loosely here as others have inferred that the RCMP can simply have a mindset about something and away they go upsetting all kinds of law abiding people's lives and they have an unlimited pool of money to fight this. I went the other route and used their regulations to work for me. I use labelled 10 shot C Products pistol mags in my MH but am not sure if this is the fix for others here talking in this thread. I am like some others here and if this rule changed tomorrow I would turf the pistol mags and get standard 5 rounders after all, if I fire 6 rounds rapidly, my barrel needs a big rest.
Just to take this thread in a related but slightly different direction - I believe ALL responsible gun owners need to petition the government to focus on licensing the person only not the type of guns allowed here. Case in point- prohibited automatic weapons exist under private grandfather clause ownership in Canada legally. This focus on the individual would entail better cooperation by law enforcement to monitor if a person goes off the rails. EG present approved guy gets mad in traffic because someone cut him off and does road rage and someone gets hurt. That incident should be tied to the privilege that he has of being to own any type of gun.
Sorry for the hijack but I believe we need to some hard work here to make changes that won't affect "public safety" to use Ralph Goodale's words.
 
The problem is that ALL Beowulf magazines are based on existing AR15 30-round magazines. At best, some have the same spring, a different follower and the feed lips have been bent to accommodate the Beowulf round. At worst, some are standrd AR15 magazines with a 5.56mm follower and simply marked "Beowulf".
 
Kiwiman1 said:
I am definitely not an expert on these matters. But my take away from this is that people want to buy or use a 5 shot designed 50cal magazine and it, by chance, holds multiple cartridges of a smaller size. From What I have read, by perusing some of the regulations, if the magazine was not designed with that capacity increase in mind, then they are "legal" (good luck proving that) in Canada. I use the term legal very loosely here as others have inferred that the RCMP can simply have a mindset about something and away they go upsetting all kinds of law abiding people's lives and they have an unlimited pool of money to fight this. I went the other route and used their regulations to work for me. I use labelled 10 shot C Products pistol mags in my MH but am not sure if this is the fix for others here talking in this thread. I am like some others here and if this rule changed tomorrow I would turf the pistol mags and get standard 5 rounders after all, if I fire 6 rounds rapidly, my barrel needs a big rest.
Just to take this thread in a related but slightly different direction - I believe ALL responsible gun owners need to petition the government to focus on licensing the person only not the type of guns allowed here. Case in point- prohibited automatic weapons exist under private grandfather clause ownership in Canada legally. This focus on the individual would entail better cooperation by law enforcement to monitor if a person goes off the rails. EG present approved guy gets mad in traffic because someone cut him off and does road rage and someone gets hurt. That incident should be tied to the privilege that he has of being to own any type of gun.
Sorry for the hijack but I believe we need to some hard work here to make changes that won't affect "public safety" to use Ralph Goodale's words.
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Thanks for the total derail. I've edited the title to more accurately reflect my original intent since 10rd LAR15 mags apparently wasn't clear enough.

I'm only interested in discussing the various available 10rd LAR15 mags for .223/5.56mm.
 
The best one are the very first c-product brought in by Questar. The finish is crap and it wears off quickly, but they are super reliable in any rifles, from HK all the way to X95, with real magpul enhanced followers.

The ASC ones with orange magpul knock off followers are not my favourite. Sharp edges in metal folding but they are still better than the plastic mags. LAR mags + GSdesign plastic extension serve me for many years, the closest to the dimension and "touch+feel" of a real 30 rounders. This is very important to me because I want to carry and grab these mags the same way as the real ones.

The problem with these stubby plastic mags is that they are too short to be carried in any mag pouches, and there are any after market extension available. Because they are too short, it is easy to have operator's error. Saw a guy having problem with a IMI one in his TAVOR, not sure it is the mag problem or simply because the mag is too short and his big chubby fingers were having hard time to sit it properly and doing IA.
 
blaxsun said:
The problem is that ALL Beowulf magazines are based on existing AR15 30-round magazines. At best, some have the same spring, a different follower and the feed lips have been bent to accommodate the Beowulf round. At worst, some are standrd AR15 magazines with a 5.56mm follower and simply marked "Beowulf".
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Assuming that all BEOs are modified 5.56mm mags, what are your thoughts on Glock 40S&W mags (modified 9mm) and Glock 45ACP mags (modified 10mm)?
 
The new polymer ones from Cross Industries look great, but I think we're still a month or so away from production. Most of the LAR15s work flawlessly if you replace the follower and upgrade the base plate to either a Magpul Ranger or L plate. This usually ensures they survive repeated drops without incident, but it does drop ammunition capacity by one unless you also shorten the follower legs by 1-3mm (this gives you 10.5 rounds so you can also load on a closed bolt).
 
JACKSMYDOG said:
Fortunately my question is about Glock mags and your opinion, not BEO mags ;)
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unfortunately your discussion of glock mags is in the wrong forum and thread, they belong in the pistol section of the forum.


Back on track, just like GT has said. The questar silverish gray LAR mags are the tits. They perform better in any possible way better than the ASC one. One other thing i have noticed too is that the Questar ones drops free out of all of my ARs, where the ASC do not necessarily does that.
 
greentips said:
The best one are the very first c-product brought in by Questar. The finish is crap and it wears off quickly, but they are super reliable in any rifles, from HK all the way to X95, with real magpul enhanced followers.

The ASC ones with orange magpul knock off followers are not my favourite. Sharp edges in metal folding but they are still better than the plastic mags. LAR mags + GSdesign plastic extension serve me for many years, the closest to the dimension and "touch+feel" of a real 30 rounders. This is very important to me because I want to carry and grab these mags the same way as the real ones.

The problem with these stubby plastic mags is that they are too short to be carried in any mag pouches, and there are any after market extension available. Because they are too short, it is easy to have operator's error. Saw a guy having problem with a IMI one in his TAVOR, not sure it is the mag problem or simply because the mag is too short and his big chubby fingers were having hard time to sit it properly and doing IA.
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So it looks like Questar is only bringing in ASC at the moment.

How are the current C Products mags?

I'll admit that I originally stayed I've stayed away from C Product and ASC because of the drama and quality control a few years back. However both companies appear to be the only metal option up here.

Good to know about Ranger plates and L plates taking away from capacity. Wouldn't have thought of that.

So it looks like the current options are:

ASC stainless
C Products stainless
MFT polymer
IWI polymer
Cross Industries, not yet available

I'm leaning towards C products with GS extensions.
 
sky52 said:
unfortunately your discussion of glock mags is in the wrong forum and thread, they belong in the pistol section of the forum.


Back on track, just like GT has said. The questar silverish gray LAR mags are the tits. They perform better in any possible way better than the ASC one. One other thing i have noticed too is that the Questar ones drops free out of all of my ARs, where the ASC do not necessarily does that.
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Leg said:
I won't disagree. Personally I'll go with extensions instead if couplers because I don't want to change the way I train for work.

If I was only worried about training civy side then I'd possibly go with couplers.

Thanks for all your responses everyone.
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Just curious, if you want a magazine similar to what you use for work why don't you use your gear from work?
If you are military or law enforcement and use an AR for work then why not just train on your work range with full capacity 30 round magazines?
I don't know what you do for work but if it involves legally using an AR and un-neutered magazines I would be surprised if a range was not available to you to practice and train on with your gear.
 
Just pulled this from lockhard tactical's instagram account

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selous_scout said:
Just pulled this from lockhard tactical's instagram account

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Is this wise????

They will use the previously used dual use argument to restrict ar15 pistol mags to 5

INegotiating with a tiger while your head is in its maw! That always works!
Why can't we just leave well enough alone
 
mikethebike said:
Is this wise????

They will use the previously used dual use argument to restrict ar15 pistol mags to 5

INegotiating with a tiger while your head is in its maw! That always works!
Why can't we just leave well enough alone
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Yup. What a spectacularly bad idea when the RCMP have both power and a hard on for mag capacity.
 
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