Grizzly Hunt Ban in BC
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Clarke,
your post is raising the fears i included about cosewic ... if there is one population in BC that is on decline then the feds will dig in and hunting for grizzly will be gone forever ...
remember the first ban: no more parts exportable to EU and still the same as of today.
the other problem is that i didnt read it about you as resident hunters being still able to hunt them just for outfitters and guides ... divide and conquer ...
your post is raising the fears i included about cosewic ... if there is one population in BC that is on decline then the feds will dig in and hunting for grizzly will be gone forever ...
remember the first ban: no more parts exportable to EU and still the same as of today.
the other problem is that i didnt read it about you as resident hunters being still able to hunt them just for outfitters and guides ... divide and conquer ...
I followed this recipe for my interior Grizzly this spring, I added some hot sauce for a bit of heat. http://www.solooutdoors.ca/slow-cooker-pulled-black-bear-recipe/
Not saying this would work for a salmon stream bear, but it made for great meals of an interior bear. Maybe 3 years from now (mandatory wait after taking a G-Bear in YT) I will look for another.
Wildlife Stewardship Council is made up of native and non native outfitters. The outfitters know that the natives have lots of clout, they are working together to further their interests. The NDP might find themselves in a bit of jam when natives tell them to screw off with their new policy.
BigUglyMan
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- New Scotland
Grizzy Bears can be eaten quite well. Just ask Why Not...he ate and shared that big bugger he got a number of years ago.
Killing an apex predator like a grizzly is sickening.
Anyone that would hunt such a majestic beautiful creature is sick.
Leave mother nature alone...
Let the flaming begin.
...you have been trolled....lol
Anyone that would hunt such a majestic beautiful creature is sick.
Leave mother nature alone...
Let the flaming begin.
...you have been trolled....lol
I've got real trouble eating something that feasts on dead maggot covered carrion..
Any bear in North west B.C. is a salmon fed bear..
Seeing a spring bear skinned out ... not much left but some muscle and a little fat along the back..
Can't imagine it would be tender????or tasty..
Any bear in North west B.C. is a salmon fed bear..
Seeing a spring bear skinned out ... not much left but some muscle and a little fat along the back..
Can't imagine it would be tender????or tasty..
You must be a vegan and a liberal? How do you feel about gun control?
i think Ted shared with 4 families ... we are one of those, still alive and it was good meat ...even from an old bear ...
Ahh, the ole wives tail of eating tainted meat from a Bear that eats dead things that are rotten...
Sure there is a scent to some meats , most if not all meat has a scent to it.
Rutting Bull Moose or Mule Deer or hell how about a Billy Goat in the rutt?
Most tainted meat comes from poor handling of the game meat or if it has been shot during the rutt.
It is mind over matter...
As for eating Coyote or Wolf (mentioned earlier in this thread) it will be a cold day in hell beofre I go out and shoot one for table fare, but if I am lost and hungry and I have a few bullets left for that 4 legged canine circling me and eying me up for dinner... I know Im going to be eating well that night. ( if it ever comes that is )
medvedqc, you mentioned a recipe earlier...I missed it care to explain a little further either here or in a private message,please.
Rob
But that's the thing. 250ish bears taken by trophy hunters is a drop in the bucket of a 15000+ bear population. It wouldn't do anything to lower bear numbers provincially.
Furthermore, the hunt isn't outright canceled. However it is expected to decline due to these measures.
I don't know; I've skinned out 3 grizzlies that were on salmon and the stink would knock a maggot off a gut pile. I'd rather take my chances on starving to death.
IronNoggin
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- Port Alberni, Vancouver Island
Of course there is the direct admission that the hunt is completely sustainable, and well within the bounds of proper scientific management.
"It's not a matter of numbers, it's a matter of society has come to the point in B.C. where they are no longer in favour of the grizzly bear trophy hunt."
So now we are to abandon science and manage wildlife according to emotion from the city masses?? Really??
I very much hope that in the future ALL problem Grizz are immediately relocated to the lower mainland / Victoria. Surely if the hunt "is not a socially acceptable practice" then those that voted these Idjuts in will find a way, as a "society", to deal with them in an alternative, friendly fashion...
2016 Scientific Review of Grizzly Bear Harvest Management System in British Columbia:
http://www.env.gov.bc.ca/fw/wildlife/management-issues/docs/grizzly-bear-harvest-management-2016.pdf
BCWF Response:
RESPONSE TO GOVERNMENT ANNOUNCEMENT TO END GRIZZLY TROPHY HUNT
The provincial government announced today that they will end grizzly bear trophy hunting throughout the province and stop all hunting of grizzlies in the Great Bear Rainforest.
The BC Wildlife Federation supports sustainable hunting in British Columbia under conditions consistent with the North American Wildlife Conservation Model. One of the tenets of the model is non-frivolous use, which allows hunting under only strict guidelines for food, and fur. This tenet prohibits the killing of wildlife merely for antlers, horns, or feathers.
The BC Wildlife Federation has and continues to support changes to the Wildlife Act which would require all edible portions of grizzly bears are used. In Europe, brown bear meat is considered quality table fare. Grizzly bear diet is similar to that of black bears; black bears have long been considered quality table fare in BC.
President of the BCWF Harvey Andrusak said, “It is positive that the government is maintaining the hunt for meat. We will represent our members’ interests as the government consults us on the practical details of this ban.“
Media is reporting that the province has said they will forbid a hunter from possessing the paws, head, and hide of a grizzly.This is inconsistent with conditions in the North American Wildlife Conservation Model. Leaving the hide and skull undermines the collection of scientific data used to manage grizzly bears. Currently those parts are used to age and ### the animals harvested, providing critical data to scientists which is the basis for any decisions about grizzly harvest.
The BCWF believes that we should be using as much of any wildlife taken as possible and will be advocating with government to maintain the interests of our members. Hunting is a very small part of grizzly bear mortality.
The BC Wildlife Federation will continue to support recovery efforts for grizzly bears in areas where populations are under threat and to advocate for increased funding and science for wildlife management in BC.
Weaver's Splintering Stance:
Political stunts and political spin — the confusing tale of the government’s inept grizzly bear policy
Today the BC NDP claimed to set the stage for banning trophy hunting of grizzly bears in British Columbia. In what can only be described as a political stunt, the BC NDP announced that “effective Nov. 30, 2017, the British Columbia government will end grizzly bear trophy hunting throughout the province.” They further proclaimed “while the trophy hunt will end, hunting for meat will be allowed to continue.”
In response to their announcement I issued a statement, reproduced below.
As you will see, I am very supportive of the fact that the B.C. NDP are respecting the wishes of the Coastal First Nations by placing a moratorium on the hunting of grizzlies in the Great Bear Rainforest. Readers of this website will know that I called for this back in February, 2014 (3 1/2 years ago). However, during the election campaign I pointed out that the B.C. NDP appeared to be trying to have their cake and eat it too when it came to the grizzly hunt. They told the hunting community one thing and the environmental community another.
Today’s announcement will not end grizzly bear hunting in B.C., as many environmental groups have advocated for.
In addition, this announcement will create a system in which not all of the animal will be harvested – resident hunters will no longer be allowed to possess the hair, head and hide of grizzlies. This will be viewed as wasteful by the resident hunting community.
Foreign hunters will still be able to shoot grizzlies in British Columbia, take a picture of themselves standing over the dead beast, and head back home without harvesting any of the animal.
What’s remarkable is that when I introduced legislation in the Spring of 2017 targeted at foreign trophy hunters the BC NDP voted against it. Now, they introduce a mishmash approach that makes little sense.
I’m not sure how this will appease the concerns of anyone. It appears to me that the NDP were trying to play to environmental voters in the election campaign without thinking through their policies. What we really need in BC is science-based approach to wildlife management, not a populist approach to species management.
http://www.andrewweavermla.ca/2017/08/14/political-stunts-political-spin-confusing-tale-governments-inept-grizzly-bear-policy/
Interesting related poll results, especially considering the source:
http://vancouversun.com/news/local-news/daily-poll-are-you-happy-with-b-c-ndp-plan-to-ban-grizzly-trophy-hunt
Cheers,
Nog
Of course there is the direct admission that the hunt is completely sustainable, and well within the bounds of proper scientific management.
"It's not a matter of numbers, it's a matter of society has come to the point in B.C. where they are no longer in favour of the grizzly bear trophy hunt."
So now we are to abandon science and manage wildlife according to emotion from the city masses?? Really??
I very much hope that in the future ALL problem Grizz are immediately relocated to the lower mainland / Victoria. Surely if the hunt "is not a socially acceptable practice" then those that voted these Idjuts in will find a way, as a "society", to deal with them in an alternative, friendly fashion...
2016 Scientific Review of Grizzly Bear Harvest Management System in British Columbia:
http://www.env.gov.bc.ca/fw/wildlife/management-issues/docs/grizzly-bear-harvest-management-2016.pdf
BCWF Response:
RESPONSE TO GOVERNMENT ANNOUNCEMENT TO END GRIZZLY TROPHY HUNT
The provincial government announced today that they will end grizzly bear trophy hunting throughout the province and stop all hunting of grizzlies in the Great Bear Rainforest.
The BC Wildlife Federation supports sustainable hunting in British Columbia under conditions consistent with the North American Wildlife Conservation Model. One of the tenets of the model is non-frivolous use, which allows hunting under only strict guidelines for food, and fur. This tenet prohibits the killing of wildlife merely for antlers, horns, or feathers.
The BC Wildlife Federation has and continues to support changes to the Wildlife Act which would require all edible portions of grizzly bears are used. In Europe, brown bear meat is considered quality table fare. Grizzly bear diet is similar to that of black bears; black bears have long been considered quality table fare in BC.
President of the BCWF Harvey Andrusak said, “It is positive that the government is maintaining the hunt for meat. We will represent our members’ interests as the government consults us on the practical details of this ban.“
Media is reporting that the province has said they will forbid a hunter from possessing the paws, head, and hide of a grizzly.This is inconsistent with conditions in the North American Wildlife Conservation Model. Leaving the hide and skull undermines the collection of scientific data used to manage grizzly bears. Currently those parts are used to age and ### the animals harvested, providing critical data to scientists which is the basis for any decisions about grizzly harvest.
The BCWF believes that we should be using as much of any wildlife taken as possible and will be advocating with government to maintain the interests of our members. Hunting is a very small part of grizzly bear mortality.
The BC Wildlife Federation will continue to support recovery efforts for grizzly bears in areas where populations are under threat and to advocate for increased funding and science for wildlife management in BC.
Weaver's Splintering Stance:
Political stunts and political spin — the confusing tale of the government’s inept grizzly bear policy
Today the BC NDP claimed to set the stage for banning trophy hunting of grizzly bears in British Columbia. In what can only be described as a political stunt, the BC NDP announced that “effective Nov. 30, 2017, the British Columbia government will end grizzly bear trophy hunting throughout the province.” They further proclaimed “while the trophy hunt will end, hunting for meat will be allowed to continue.”
In response to their announcement I issued a statement, reproduced below.
As you will see, I am very supportive of the fact that the B.C. NDP are respecting the wishes of the Coastal First Nations by placing a moratorium on the hunting of grizzlies in the Great Bear Rainforest. Readers of this website will know that I called for this back in February, 2014 (3 1/2 years ago). However, during the election campaign I pointed out that the B.C. NDP appeared to be trying to have their cake and eat it too when it came to the grizzly hunt. They told the hunting community one thing and the environmental community another.
Today’s announcement will not end grizzly bear hunting in B.C., as many environmental groups have advocated for.
In addition, this announcement will create a system in which not all of the animal will be harvested – resident hunters will no longer be allowed to possess the hair, head and hide of grizzlies. This will be viewed as wasteful by the resident hunting community.
Foreign hunters will still be able to shoot grizzlies in British Columbia, take a picture of themselves standing over the dead beast, and head back home without harvesting any of the animal.
What’s remarkable is that when I introduced legislation in the Spring of 2017 targeted at foreign trophy hunters the BC NDP voted against it. Now, they introduce a mishmash approach that makes little sense.
I’m not sure how this will appease the concerns of anyone. It appears to me that the NDP were trying to play to environmental voters in the election campaign without thinking through their policies. What we really need in BC is science-based approach to wildlife management, not a populist approach to species management.
http://www.andrewweavermla.ca/2017/...g-tale-governments-inept-grizzly-bear-policy/
Interesting related poll results, especially considering the source:
http://vancouversun.com/news/local-...-with-b-c-ndp-plan-to-ban-grizzly-trophy-hunt
Cheers,
Nog
Wow. That is a surprisingly even poll. Basically 50/50 right now.
No - A lot of people depend on the hunt to make a living 50.36% (5,553 votes)
Yes - Killing bears for sport is senseless 49.64% (5,474 votes)
I can't help but feel like "Killing bears for sport is senseless" is pretty loaded too...
The one grizzly we killed (a good sized boar with a win m94 30-30) in self defense surprised paw behind our cabin when we lived in alaska back in the 70s.
We kept the hide and the meat was boiled in the kettles with other stuff for dog food.
Nothing went to waste around our place.
I see nothing wrong with a sustainable grizzly trophy hunt to bring much needed revenue and livelihood to alaskans and british columbians.
From what I see these canadian ndp are like democrats on lsd.
Completely incapable of rational common sense.
We kept the hide and the meat was boiled in the kettles with other stuff for dog food.
Nothing went to waste around our place.
I see nothing wrong with a sustainable grizzly trophy hunt to bring much needed revenue and livelihood to alaskans and british columbians.
From what I see these canadian ndp are like democrats on lsd.
Completely incapable of rational common sense.
IronNoggin
CGN frequent flyer
- Location
- Port Alberni, Vancouver Island
Interesting that Raincoat's Executive Director Chris Genovali agreed that banning black bear hunting is already on their agenda.
At 22:15 of this broadcast: http://www.cbc.ca/radio/popup/audio/listen.html?autoPlay=true&clipIds=&mediaIds=1025285699579&U=%5Bobject%20Object%5D&contentarea=news&subsection1=regions&subsection2=britishcolumbia&subsection3=bcalmanac&contenttype=audio
The slippery slope begins...
Ticked,
Nog
At 22:15 of this broadcast: http://www.cbc.ca/radio/popup/audio/listen.html?autoPlay=true&clipIds=&mediaIds=1025285699579&U=%5Bobject%20Object%5D&contentarea=news&subsection1=regions&subsection2=britishcolumbia&subsection3=bcalmanac&contenttype=audio
The slippery slope begins...
Ticked,
Nog
