Officer shot in leg after his GLOCK 35 went off spontaneously, not even dropped :)

From my understanding of the Glock safety system, the striker is partially cocked after the slide is tacked to chamber the first round. This partially cocked striker doesn't have the potential energy to ignite the primer. Trigger needs to be depressed to fully #### and release the striker and ignite the primer.

What mechanical failure can cause the striker to fully #### and release?
 

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mtstef said:
You describe Canadian Police life like they are dealing with instantly appearing danger all day long. How frequently they deal with an armed suspect all of a sudden without being dispatched to deal with it first ? Close to zero times in their career ?

I bet many reasonable officers go without round chambered. But the cowboys that are affraid that their adrenaline will go in a way when needed, need a round in the chamber at all times, a ?

:)

If they are dispatched at some risky task or area, round is to be chambered for sure before arriving. And if a police officer is affraid of his adrenaline getting in the way, he better resign right away for the public good ;)
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There's no point carrying a pistol if it's not readied. It might as well be in the patrol car with the shotgun.

If you need a pistol, you need it right now.
 
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easyrider604 said:
From my understanding of the Glock safety system, the striker is partially cocked after the slide is tacked to chamber the first round. This partially cocked striker doesn't have the potential energy to ignite the primer. Trigger needs to be depressed to fully #### and release the striker and ignite the primer.

What mechanical failure can cause the striker to fully #### and release?
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bsand said:
Yeah I'm using a competition gun, holster and belt, I can barely break 1.00 (fastest was 0.98s to alpha at 7yds). No retention other than friction. I'd think that IDF holsters have at least level 2 retention, if not level 3. Or maybe because they carry unchambered they do not use more than lvl 2?
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Fwiw, with a lot of practice I don't doubt 1.2 is attainable, but if someone can do it in 1.2 unchambered they'd probably be able to do it in .6-.8 with a round in the chamber. Which is still significantly faster.
 
rkm456 said:
Fwiw, with a lot of practice I don't doubt 1.2 is attainable, but if someone can do it in 1.2 unchambered they'd probably be able to do it in .6-.8 with a round in the chamber. Which is still significantly faster.
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Thats like GM/ Miculek speeds...

But then again Im breaking 1 second, and I'm only a C-class (heading towards B-class) Carry Optics shooter with like 6 months experience (3.5 months with a dot)
 
Ok,

Let's get back on track.

easyrider604, despite what Glock information states, yes the Glock can fire from the "half-####" position, but in order to do so, the frame rails need to separate so that the slide lifts off of the frame....every so slightly...so the "half-cocked" striker is allowed to go forward.....and....most importantly the firing pin safety needs to be worn. Then there is in fact enough inertia for the firing pin to fire a round...at least in some cases.
I view this a a bit of a positive as even in half-#### there is still enough inertia to fire a round, quite a good design!

The firing pin safety should prevent the firing pin from striking the primer....but if it is worn enough....may not. This is what happened in the Calgary Police incident years ago.

As I said before, heavy use guns need to be serviced and replaced often. Glock is so cheap that this can be done easier than replacing a more expensive gun. AND mags also wear out, replace them too fellas! (I'm as guilty as anyone of hanging onto mags and using them far too long.)

Rich
 
Rich LPS said:
Ok,

Let's get back on track.

easyrider604, despite what Glock information states, yes the Glock can fire from the "half-####" position, but in order to do so, the frame rails need to separate so that the slide lifts off of the frame....every so slightly...so the "half-cocked" striker is allowed to go forward.....and....most importantly the firing pin safety needs to be worn. Then there is in fact enough inertia for the firing pin to fire a round...at least in some cases.
I view this a a bit of a positive as even in half-#### there is still enough inertia to fire a round, quite a good design!

The firing pin safety should prevent the firing pin from striking the primer....but if it is worn enough....may not. This is what happened in the Calgary Police incident years ago.

As I said before, heavy use guns need to be serviced and replaced often. Glock is so cheap that this can be done easier than replacing a more expensive gun. AND mags also wear out, replace them too fellas! (I'm as guilty as anyone of hanging onto mags and using them far too long.)

Rich
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Interesting to see this has happened in one of the other incidents.
 
Still alive said:
With the NY1 trigger, I really cannot see a Glock firing on its own. At least, not one that is mechanically sound. I'm sure we'll find out one way or another soon enough.
I can see another " Condition 1 vs. Condition 3" carry thread starting soon!
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I know I'm quoting myself but I just got on and we definitely have a Condition 1 vs C3 debate going. Darn it, should have bought a lottery ticket!
I do not condone C3 carry but the only time I ever carried in the US, it was C3. Weird as I've always practiced safety and in C1. Yet, when it came down to it, I carried C3. I know I can be quick but quick enough for every circumstance? I'll never know and I'm glad I didn't find out.
 
Rich LPS said:
Ok,

Let's get back on track.

easyrider604, despite what Glock information states, yes the Glock can fire from the "half-####" position, but in order to do so, the frame rails need to separate so that the slide lifts off of the frame....every so slightly...so the "half-cocked" striker is allowed to go forward.....and....most importantly the firing pin safety needs to be worn. Then there is in fact enough inertia for the firing pin to fire a round...at least in some cases.
I view this a a bit of a positive as even in half-#### there is still enough inertia to fire a round, quite a good design!
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The firing pin safety should prevent the firing pin from striking the primer....but if it is worn enough....may not. This is what happened in the Calgary Police incident years ago.

As I said before, heavy use guns need to be serviced and replaced often. Glock is so cheap that this can be done easier than replacing a more expensive gun. AND mags also wear out, replace them too fellas! (I'm as guilty as anyone of hanging onto mags and using them far too long.)

Rich
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Rich, Is this the only possible scenario that would cause a holstered Glock to discharge, aside from the previously mentioned (but highly unlikely, IMO) debris caught in the trigger guard in the holstered weapon.

Hmmm... a mechanical failure of the frame rails or the frame may cause an Accidental Discharge in a Glock. Considering the officer in the incident was with the Special Weapons Unit (something to that effect), it is conceivable that his Glock 35 has been used extensively and therefore possibly had a frame/rail failure. I hope Glock or the OPP will release its findings regarding this unfortunate AD.

Makes me re-think about hanging on to my SA/DA hammer-drop safety pistols. Seems these SA/DA pistol designs are safer to carry chambered.
 
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If we could get this thread back on the subject matter of how a Glock pistol could be discharged without human intervention, that'd be great.

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Best wishes for the officer and speedy and full recovery.
What a nightmare, the sushi was literally floating in blood per one of the officers that was present.

Not sure about current holster however they were using Safariland.


It is unfortunate that some, even here on the forum, are ignorant of common sense and logic WRT subjects like self defense with a handgun, policing, threat assessment, etc. To think a police officer in today's reality should/could/might carry a duty firearm essentially unloaded(with none in the chamber) is extremely ignorant, naive and borders on exhibiting serious mental cognizance pathology.
 
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I don't see this being a holster issue. I have heard a bit about malfunctions with a broken frame rail. Will try and find where I read that and will post it.
 
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Rich LPS said:
Sorry Glock lovers....(me included, I have one and love it)...history repeats it's self.

This happened in Calgary. Yes when the frame rails / inserts break and separate from the frame and the slide lifts off slightly the gun can fire....with a worn firing pin safety.

Rich
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The pictures I saw was exactly this. The LH side metal insert broke away from the frame.
 
Anyone stating that someone (cop or civilian alike) should carry with a cold chamber, is so ignorant of the topic that they needn't be part of the discussion...
 
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