Best NR rifle

[Cameron SS]

So with this in mind, the conservatives projected/rumored simplified classification would keep the 3 categories, but make it really easy to determine what goes where. In the law. Not easily changed. OIC can be challenged, RCMP interpretations cannot be.
Prohib : Full autos
Restricted: Overall length under X
Non-Restricted: Overall Length over X

Have you read the actual Simplified Classification System proposed by the CSSA and accepted by SOME conservative members?

It is far more complicated than what you suggest, and imports several of the issues with the current classification system, which includes non technical considerations such as who made the gun or any modifications to it, and can be extremely controversial when you consider the possible combinations of accessories that could affect length. Not that any of the cheer leaders of that system have ever bothered to offer a justification for separate classifications of firearms anyways.

A shotgun that is manufactured to be less than 660mm is non restricted.
A shotgun that is modified with aftermarket parts to have a folding stock by the owner and can fold to be less than 660mm is restricted.
A shotgun with the barrel chopped by a reputable gunsmith to be less than 660mm is prohibited, because sawed off shotgun is more concealable than the one that was made that way in the factory.

This is the rationale of the simplified classification system, brought to you by the same sycophants that brought you common sense licensing.

 

[Moe]

SL8 I had was with good ammo 1.5 MOA. With hand loads I could get 1 MOA.

Moe

 

[blaxsun]

I figured it would be better
I recently came across a high end competition AR around the same price bracket which claimed "Sub MOA accuracy"
Wouldn't an SL8 be better that 1.5 MOA?

Some ARs are very good, no doubt. No idea about the SL8, but I know the Tavors are 3-4 MOA at that range - so I'm honestly happy if I get 1-1.5 MOA from my ACR.

 

[Sniffer]

Some ARs are very good, no doubt. No idea about the SL8, but I know the Tavors are 3-4 MOA at that range - so I'm honestly happy if I get 1-1.5 MOA from my ACR.

3-4 MOA - Yikes!

Does hand loading clean that up any or is that as good as it gets?

Suddenly that puts your 1.5 MOA ACR into perspective

 

[blaxsun]

3-4 MOA - Yikes!
Does hand loading clean that up any or is that as good as it gets?
Suddenly that puts your 1.5 MOA ACR into perspective

The Tavor is a MoM (minute-of-man) rifle.

 

[Sniffer]

The Tavor is a MoM (minute-of-man) rifle.

I have an X95 but I`ve only had it at the range once so not enough to determine how good/bad it is

If its terrible I`ll trade it and pick up something else, or, knowing me, I`ll just pick up something else....

I still have an itch for an SL8 (looks kinda quirky but very accurate apparently), the competition version of the XCR-L (I`ve heard varying reports on the accuracy and I`m guessing its heavy with the piston system etc) and that AR I mentioned (but its restricted obviously - boo!)

 

[blaxsun]

I have an X95 but I`ve only had it at the range once so not enough to determine how good/bad it is

If its terrible I`ll trade it and pick up something else, or, knowing me, I`ll just pick up something else....

I still have an itch for an SL8 (looks kinda quirky but very accurate apparently), the competition version of the XCR-L (I`ve heard varying reports on the accuracy and I`m guessing its heavy with the piston system etc) and that AR I mentioned (but its restricted obviously - boo!)

Every now and then the SL8 perks my interest, but then I pickup my state-of-the-art ACR with the quick-change barrel and caliber system - and it fades.

 

[Sniffer]

Every now and then the SL8 perks my interest, but then I pickup my state-of-the-art ACR with the quick-change barrel and caliber system - and it fades.

Is the ACR heavy? They look heavy

 

[jparent]

3-4 MOA - Yikes!

Does hand loading clean that up any or is that as good as it gets?

Suddenly that puts your 1.5 MOA ACR into perspective

I can get regular 1.5-2 MOA with premium ammo and handloads in the Tavor. Others on here have duplicated this as well.

M855 Ball and others are 3-4 MOA.

If i want tiny groups at long range, there are other tools for the job.

Almost any bolt gun will beat any Black Rifle all day every day.

 

[blaxsun]

Is the ACR heavy? They look heavy

8lbs (+/-) with a 12.5" barrel, a little more with a NR/fluted barrel and muzzle device. You can save quite a bit of weight by swapping out the aluminum handguard for a polymer/RPM version (the RPM is actually a few ounces lighter than the Magpul) which also helps to balance the weight. Switching to a fixed or folding stock also makes quite a difference.

 

[Moe]

Everybody trashes the Tavor 21 accuracy. Mine with hand loads was consistent 2-2.5 MOA once the trigger pack and trigger were swapped out.

Moe

 

[DVX]

ACRs are pretty decent. Very happy with mine.

I've been looking into the ACR Enhanced. I haven't been able to find much in terms of aftermarket support, and last I heard, even the manufacturer has all but abandoned the rifle. Is that true? Spare part availability is what worries me. That's the reason I picked up a second T97. I don't think my wife will sign off on two ACR's

 

[mareshow]

I figured it would be better

I recently came across a high end competition AR around the same price bracket which claimed "Sub MOA accuracy"

Wouldn't an SL8 be better that 1.5 MOA?

I'm 3/4 MOA with my handloads consistently in my SL8, I could probably do something up thats a bit tighter but at 3/4 MOA I'm happy

As far as weight goes, the SL8 and ACR are pretty close to the same.

 

[onetwentyish]

I've been looking into the ACR Enhanced. I haven't been able to find much in terms of aftermarket support, and last I heard, even the manufacturer has all but abandoned the rifle. Is that true? Spare part availability is what worries me. That's the reason I picked up a second T97. I don't think my wife will sign off on two ACR's

You can purchase all the spare parts through Gravel Agency. Barrels and triggers are just tweaked AR components.

This year has been regarded by many as year of the ACR as the aftermarket has seen huge support BOTH Canadian and American.
RPM Tool has produced 2 forend lengths, Nexus Tactical has produced 2 forend designs in 2 lengths (4 different forends) and extended mag release's, Templar Precision has produced remington style folding charging handles, extended bolt releases, and made cores for Battle Arms Development safeties to work.

Custom barrel assemblies/conversions have been available in Canada from Herron Arms, and from Nefarious Arms and Templar Precision in the US.

The factory barrel assemblies have been finally started shipping so onward and upward from here!

Word is the first factory caliber conversions will be released soon as well, but one thing I have learned is that Bushmaster moves slowly, so chances are soon means in the next 3 years. Haha

 

[Cameron SS]

Everybody trashes the Tavor 21 accuracy. Mine with hand loads was consistent 2-2.5 MOA once the trigger pack and trigger were swapped out.

Moe

Your tavor, with handloads and an aftermarket trigger, shoots groups twice the size as my out of the box AR with factory ammo, at almost half the price of your tavor.

 

[DILLIGAF]

My X95 and ACR can be taken anywhere so enjoy your range only toys.

They both smack steel and are great fun. Dont see why all you guys have sutch a hard on for MOA with guns no one hunts with...lol...

So what if your fancy toy shoots 1/2 moa sitting on your butt at a static range. That wont do you any good when SHTF.

 

[jiffx2781]

My X95 and ACR can be taken anywhere so enjoy your range only toys.

They both smack steel and are great fun. Dont see why all you guys have sutch a hard on for MOA with guns no one hunts with...lol...

So what if your fancy toy shoots 1/2 moa sitting on your butt at a static range. That wont do you any good when SHTF.

If the SHTF who is going to care about shooting ranges? Out will come the ar's and at least they will be accurate enough to hit you before you can hit them.
But who really cares. All this SHTF talk is irrelevant stupidity. In the reality that we live in today it's NR rifles all the way for me. Safe and Range queens are effectively useless show and tell pieces.
Even though I own some of the rifles being discussed here I still think your best rifle is your simple, basic, accurate, nothing to go wrong with it bolt gun.... even if the s#!t does ever hit the fan.
Just my 2 cents worth.

 

[Cameron SS]

My X95 and ACR can be taken anywhere so enjoy your range only toys.

They both smack steel and are great fun. Dont see why all you guys have sutch a hard on for MOA with guns no one hunts with...lol...

So what if your fancy toy shoots 1/2 moa sitting on your butt at a static range. That wont do you any good when SHTF.

Because when SHTF people will still be bothering with ATTs... lol.

 

[jparent]

Because when SHTF people will still be bothering with ATTs... lol.

So what if SHTF is having to leave due to wildfire? You don't think the RCMP are going to be a bit off put by the AR tucked between the seats of your minivan?

I'll keep my TAR, it's shorter overall than a 10.5" and i can hit what i need at any range i could ever need in a ####ty situation.

Besides, 99% of the people who own guns can't make use of 3/4 moa on a stationary target, much less a real moving threat.

 

[Cameron SS]

So what if SHTF is having to leave due to wildfire? You don't think the RCMP are going to be a bit off put by the AR tucked between the seats of your minivan?

I'll keep my TAR, it's shorter overall than a 10.5" and i can hit what i need at any range i could ever need in a ####ty situation.

Besides, 99% of the people who own guns can't make use of 3/4 moa on a stationary target, much less a real moving threat.

When looking at a long train of cars on the highway fleeing a wildfire, I highly doubt there would be any difference in the treatment of two different guys with a gun tucked between the seats of his minivan based on the classification of his rifle, as long as it was legally licensed/registered and being transported safely.