ACR Media and Info Thread

cr5 said:
I don't quite understand why guys want a 10.5" when they own a non restricted ACR since you can't legally shoot it with the 10.5 unless you register it as restricted again which is easy but switching it back to non restricted takes around 3 months for the CFO to process it and actually take it off the books.

Not directed at anyone specifically so no one take this as I'm talking to them directly but to the guys with both lengths please don't F it up for the rest of us and get caught illegally using your short barrel. Last thing we need is to give them a reason to stop letting these be converted to NR and I'm sure no one wants to be charged with possession of an unregistered restricted firearm which is what you'll be charged with as they take your firearms license away along with all your firearms.





When I bought my first ACR it came with a 12 inch barrel and it was so sweet but since I bought it specifically to convert to NR I sold the 12" to pay for my first 18.5".
Your pics make me want to buy another black one so I can mix and match parts with my tan one. Those look great.
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I've been waiting 5 months with no word on my NR application.
Did they inform you via email or did you have to contact the office?

Agreed on 10.5 restricted barrel, it was cool but not worth the risk f@cking everyone over, so it's sold!
Interesting convo with the CFO who knew the ease of conversation and was constantly mentioning the ramifications of such a conversation!
Also telling me pistol mags weren't to be used in my NR rifle.
 
Under what law can they stop "letting" people as a whole convert them to NR.

If you don't register the swap and get caught then the individual is breaking the law and will likely be dealt with.

Nothing more. Unless the laws change for worse.
 
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He meant after it was NR, to go back to Restricted!
He also wanted proof I had sold the 16" that it had originally been registered with!
 
cr5 said:
I don't quite understand why guys want a 10.5" when they own a non restricted ACR since you can't legally shoot it with the 10.5 unless you register it as restricted again which is easy but switching it back to non restricted takes around 3 months for the CFO to process it and actually take it off the books.

Not directed at anyone specifically so no one take this as I'm talking to them directly but to the guys with both lengths please don't F it up for the rest of us and get caught illegally using your short barrel. Last thing we need is to give them a reason to stop letting these be converted to NR and I'm sure no one wants to be charged with possession of an unregistered restricted firearm which is what you'll be charged with as they take your firearms license away along with all your firearms.
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I absolutely agree with you. Both of mine are restricted - I do have a NR barrel, so I may register one as NR down the road, but the other will always remain restricted so I can run the short barrels on that one. Most of my shooting is on the range these days anyway. No interest in breaking the law or provoking our benevolent overlords by putting a restricted barrel on an NR gun.


cr5 said:
When I bought my first ACR it came with a 12 inch barrel and it was so sweet but since I bought it specifically to convert to NR I sold the 12" to pay for my first 18.5".
Your pics make me want to buy another black one so I can mix and match parts with my tan one. Those look great.
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I know, right?? Thanks :)
 
Armafield said:
More clarification!

He meant after it was NR, to go back to Restricted!
He also wanted proof I had sold the 16" that it had originally been registered with!
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so he is making up laws ? since when do you have to prove anything other than what the rifle is equipped with when the registration is changed? what if you have 2 ACR's. cant have a spare barrel for the remaining restricted? tell him you are going to buy a restricted 10.5 and saving the barrel for that one.
 
Armafield said:
I've been waiting 5 months with no word on my NR application.
Did they inform you via email or did you have to contact the office?

Agreed on 10.5 restricted barrel, it was cool but not worth the risk f@cking everyone over, so it's sold!
Interesting convo with the CFO who knew the ease of conversation and was constantly mentioning the ramifications of such a conversation!
Also telling me pistol mags weren't to be used in my NR rifle.
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No, you have to call them every week until they can't find it anymore.
He was wrong about pistol mags in a NR but I'm sure there are officers out there that will charge you first then let the courts sort it out which could cost you some money in lawyers, just be careful where you're using them to avoid the headache.


fenceline said:
They'll switch it to R right away. Buy they won't cancel the legislation after you provide proof that it is non restricted.

An invalid registration document doesn't make a guns features restricted.
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Once again you're using to much common sense and logic. You need to adjust your thinking to more liberal lunacy when talking about the CFO.

What you're saying is technically almost correct but if they find guys are converting rifles that were converted to non restricted back to restricted and using them without registering them they have the power to simply drag their arse for a year or more when you apply to convert to non restricted.
The registration is completely gone once you make it non restricted, when I did mine I knew it was done when the lady couldn't find my serial number in the system anymore. Then she had to do some digging and figured out what happened but the registration was no longer anywhere in the system.
Yes the person doing it will be charged but it could also F it up for everyone in the future.
It isn't an invalid registration anymore, if you put a short barrel on a non restricted rifle it becomes a non registered restricted which is a serious offense to be in possession of.
 
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Exactly.

If I call them and say it's restricted, they will gladly do it immediately and I can get registration.

Swap it to NR, and the registration is no longer valid. I have an obligation to tell them within 30 days. Them dragging there feet to remove the record after I tell them doesnt delay or change the fact the gun is legally NR. Due diligence is done, and the gun isnt R because the RCMP have delayed destroying the invalid registry record.

That's all I'm getting at.
 
fenceline said:
Exactly.

If I call them and say it's restricted, they will gladly do it immediately and I can get registration.

Swap it to NR, and the registration is no longer valid. I have an obligation to tell them within 30 days. Them dragging there feet to remove the record after I tell them doesnt delay or change the fact the gun is legally NR. Due diligence is done, and the gun isnt R because the RCMP have delayed destroying the invalid registry record.

That's all I'm getting at.
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You do have 30 days to tell them you've converted it but until it's registered correctly as non restricted you are breaking the law if you shoot it anywhere other than a certified range.
I spoke to them at length about the process which is why i sold the short barrel, it wasn't worth the time and effort to switch it back and forth.
 
cr5 said:
You do have 30 days to tell them you've converted it but until it's registered correctly as non restricted you are breaking the law if you shoot it anywhere other than a certified range.
I spoke to them at length about the process which is why i sold the short barrel, it wasn't worth the time and effort to switch it back and forth.
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You can't register a non restricted. Them failing to remove it from the registry isn't my problem.

18.5+ inch barrel. Longer than 26.5 inches. Semi auto centerfire. It's non restricted.

My obligation is to report the change. It's on them to make sure their records are correct.

The features deem the gun to be NR. A piece of paper doesn't change its features.

If I paint my car red, but the registration says the car is black, the car is still red.

If the gun doesn't meet the Firearms Act definition of Restricted, but meets the definition of NR, it is NR. The onus is the report the change only. Once that is done, I've met my legal obligation.

If you reported the change to NR, shot it legally away from a range, and got stopped... do you think maybe the CFP would be concerned about explaining why they have a NR gun registered, and why the system caused an unlawful arrest and seizure to occur? Perhaps they are covering their own interests until they can complete their paperwork more than yours.
 
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fenceline said:
You can't register a non restricted. Them failing to remove it from the registry isn't my problem.

18.5+ inch barrel. Longer than 26.5 inches. Semi auto centerfire. It's non restricted.

My obligation is to report the change. It's on them to make sure their records are correct.

The features deem the gun to be NR. A piece of paper doesn't change its features.

If I paint my car red, but the registration says the car is black, the car is still red.

If the gun doesn't meet the Firearms Act definition of Restricted, but meets the definition of NR, it is NR. The onus is the report the change only. Once that is done, I've met my legal obligation.

If you reported the change to NR, shot it legally away from a range, and got stopped... do you think maybe the CFP would be concerned about explaining why they have a NR gun registered, and why the system caused an unlawful arrest and seizure to occur? Perhaps they are covering their own interests until they can complete their paperwork more than yours.
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Sorry, I worded that poorly in regards to registering non restricted.

I'm sorry but it is your problem if you get stopped with it. If it is registered as a restricted and you take it out in the bush it doesn't matter what barrel length it has, the rifle is still a registered restricted firearm that you are using away from a certified range. The CFO office and the firearms verifier that helped me with the paperwork both told me that until the paperwork was complete and it was no longer registered as restricted I could only shoot it at a certified range.
Just because you've done your due diligence doesn't mean that you are free to do whatever you want, do you get to mail a restricted firearm to the buyer as soon as you call it in and have a reference number or do you have to wait until the paperwork is done and you have a copy of the new registration and an ATT to take to it the post office? Same thing here, once the paperwork is done then the rifle becomes non restricted, until then it's just pending approval.
Regardless of who's interests the policy actually covers, to me it isn't worth risking being stopped and having to go through what you will go through if the officer runs your make, model, and serial number and arrests you for having a registered restricted firearm away from the range.
You can talk tough all you want and you can do whatever you want since the biggest risk is to yourself but in my opinion your doing the wrong thing by taking the rifle in the bush the day after you call it in even though it has not been approved or processed yet. It meets the requirements but until it has actually been approved and processed you are technically breaking the law.
 
fenceline said:
You can't register a non restricted. Them failing to remove it from the registry isn't my problem.

18.5+ inch barrel. Longer than 26.5 inches. Semi auto centerfire. It's non restricted.

My obligation is to report the change. It's on them to make sure their records are correct.

The features deem the gun to be NR. A piece of paper doesn't change its features.

If I paint my car red, but the registration says the car is black, the car is still red.

If the gun doesn't meet the Firearms Act definition of Restricted, but meets the definition of NR, it is NR. The onus is the report the change only. Once that is done, I've met my legal obligation.

If you reported the change to NR, shot it legally away from a range, and got stopped... do you think maybe the CFP would be concerned about explaining why they have a NR gun registered, and why the system caused an unlawful arrest and seizure to occur? Perhaps they are covering their own interests until they can complete their paperwork more than yours.
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In the case of the car being registered as the wrong color, you would be fined for inaccurate registration. As far as firearms go, you don't get fines for paperwork offenses, they consider it a criminal act and prosecute you as such
 
Quick question guys, I have the ACR DMR 18.6" barrel and I can't figure out whether it is stainless or 4150. They're often marketed as stainless melonite, but website states that material is 4150. 4150 isn't stainless (416-R), so does stainless refer to its corrosion resistance after the melonite treatment, and that the barrel isn't actually stainless steel?
 
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Brian46 said:
In the case of the car being registered as the wrong color, you would be fined for inaccurate registration. As far as firearms go, you don't get fines for paperwork offenses, they consider it a criminal act and prosecute you as such
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Sure. So you don't report the change you get charged for failure to report. But the wrong registration doesn't mean the car is something it isn't.

Don't report the barrel change, they charge you for failure to report. Not possessing a restricted non restricted.

Report the change, you have followed the law and you can't be charged. Regardless what the mountie paper incorrectly represents.
 
PinaKaleada said:
Quick question guys, I have the ACR DMR 18.6" barrel and I can't figure out whether it is stainless or 4150. They're often marketed as stainless melonite, but website states that material is 4150. 4150 isn't stainless (416-R), so does stainless refer to its corrosion resistance after the melonite treatment, and that the barrel isn't actually stainless steel?
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It's 4150 hammer forged, they probably refer to melonite finish as stainless.
 
blaxsun said:
What we need is Shrubmaster to make separate ACR uppers available (just the upper, no bolt carrier group or barrel).
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Why? Upper make no difference other than it would cost even more to have multi caliber or multiple lengths. The lower is still classed restricted or non regardless of the upper.
If they would just make the caliber conversions they originally promised I would be happy, even happier if they did it for the DMR version so they were factory non restricted caliber conversions.


fenceline said:
Sure. So you don't report the change you get charged for failure to report. But the wrong registration doesn't mean the car is something it isn't.

Don't report the barrel change, they charge you for failure to report. Not possessing a restricted non restricted.

Report the change, you have followed the law and you can't be charged. Regardless what the mountie paper incorrectly represents.
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You do whatever you want to do but please don't give anyone advice on this topic, you are not correct and if you actually get stopped by an enforcement officer you will be charged and your opinion on the matter won't change that.
What you're talking about with painting a car is nothing like this, what this is closer to would be taking a non DOT race car or motorcycle and driving it on the road and saying it's legal just because you put signal lights and a horn on it.

Even if you are correct when it comes right down to the letter of the law, anyone caught in this situation will face charges and a lot of headache that will turn into months of court dates and lawyer bills to sort out. I really doubt anyone has the resources to properly defend themselves in a situation like this.
Even if the information I got from the RCMP lab turns out just to be their opinion and not actual law, when the people interpreting the law and the people enforcing the law are the same people it pretty much becomes the law until you go through the courts and win. This is not something I would like to go through and I really don't know anyone that would have the time and resources to tackle something like this just to prove they are right when it can so easily be avoided by simply waiting for the paperwork to clear before continuing out into the bush with a newly converted rifle.
 
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I am not encouraging anyone to break the law, but there is something to be said about standing up for what is right and doing something to send a message to the law makers and enforcers on this subject. Could you imagine if 100 seperate cases with people with access to legal defense through one of many organizations supporting our rights went to court and those individuals won. They would still be sacrificing there time and put up with some hardship but the changes that could come of that.
 
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