Then I may be the one misinformed. However, the fact that we still have no price remains. Flipping out, name calling and threatening boycotts before we even know what the price will be is kind of nuts. Yes, the optics are bad. Businesses know what the product costs and 2" more barrel isn't much (however every 8 Canadian barrels made is one less us barrel so there is some cost associated). There is an added cost to export so that needs to be addressed as well. But all said, screaming that they are gouging and screwing us is ridiculous when we don't have proof the gouged and screwed us. When the price comes in then bring out the torches and pitchforks if you think it's to high. But getting a lynching party started before the crime has been committed is crazy.
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Yes that's what i read. Posted by Can Am as to what M+M told them. That's really just hearsay. I did not see this statement made anywhere by M+M. And frankly I don't know why they would say it even if true. That would be plain poor business. But I can see Can Am saying it if they were pissed and trying to justify their mark up and make others look bad. Again unsubstantiated and speculation.
From M+M themselves .
Pretty much throwing WS under the bus as far as I see it :
We here at M+M industries enjoy some humor in our day to day operations. Haha.
First, we would like to take a second to express our appreciation for the support of the Canadian Market and those who are not joining in the speculation and circulation of misinformation that is floating around about the M10X release in the Canadian market! We truly have the best customers and we appreciate the many emails we have received from people seeking accurate information.
A company that we have no business agreements with had released claims of Pre-sales and pricing that was not generated by M+M industries. This in turn has led to a large flow of speculation and misinformation across the Canadian market. We expect this company to issue an official retraction of their statements very soon.
The M10X Non-restricted approval is great news for many people and we are excited to be supporting the firearm industry in Canada!
Please note that information not provided exclusively by this company through our website and social media channels is purely speculation and "fake news" ��
However we are investigating claims that our President/CEO grew a third nostril last night... We are working to confirm this haha.
Logistics, MSRP, operations, warranty training programs and management are all being discussed with our partners and consultants and we will provide more information on all of this soon.
Again, thank you all for your continued support as we move forward with bringing M10X into the Canadian market!
-M+M industries, Inc.
Pretty much throwing WS under the bus as far as I see it :
We here at M+M industries enjoy some humor in our day to day operations. Haha.
First, we would like to take a second to express our appreciation for the support of the Canadian Market and those who are not joining in the speculation and circulation of misinformation that is floating around about the M10X release in the Canadian market! We truly have the best customers and we appreciate the many emails we have received from people seeking accurate information.
A company that we have no business agreements with had released claims of Pre-sales and pricing that was not generated by M+M industries. This in turn has led to a large flow of speculation and misinformation across the Canadian market. We expect this company to issue an official retraction of their statements very soon.
The M10X Non-restricted approval is great news for many people and we are excited to be supporting the firearm industry in Canada!
Please note that information not provided exclusively by this company through our website and social media channels is purely speculation and "fake news" ��
However we are investigating claims that our President/CEO grew a third nostril last night... We are working to confirm this haha.
Logistics, MSRP, operations, warranty training programs and management are all being discussed with our partners and consultants and we will provide more information on all of this soon.
Again, thank you all for your continued support as we move forward with bringing M10X into the Canadian market!
-M+M industries, Inc.
I'm going to take the high road here and give M+M the benifit of the doubt.
I will no longer post in regards to this issue . Instead I will sit back and watch as it unfolds.
I am very happy for the people that got in on the WA pre order and hope all of you enjoy your new rifles .
I will no longer post in regards to this issue . Instead I will sit back and watch as it unfolds.
I am very happy for the people that got in on the WA pre order and hope all of you enjoy your new rifles .
Wow, I don't think I would have ever read this on cgn. Well if you are ever around the GTA I'll take ya out for a range session and let ya blast off the m10x, ammo and beers on me!!!
As I said the optics are bad. But both Wanstalls and M+M posted statements for whatever reason. To me it doesn't look like anyone under a bus. Preorders are covered and I'm sure no one is loosing money. If they were, the deposits would have been returned.
Holy chit lol. Dude, everyone of your posts re: M10x is fawking complain. You should of act and get your preorder in and stop this nonsense.
This is what I mean. A lot of butt hurt on this thread. I see how the optics were but a lot of the hype was made by those who hesitated. All this dealer loyalty crap is amusing. Buy what you want for the price you like from whoever has the deal. Do you think these dealers are giving you any loyalty. They are looking for a deal in their best interest too and don't give a rats ass what you think.
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So maybe, I'm trolling here to try and find an inkling of what and why I might be interested in this rifle when the smoke clears.
If I had no interest, I wouldn't be here.
Can you point out anything that this offers, that make it a clear choice and a value price, even just using the Wanstalls number? Balanced against spending a little more to get a BCL 102? Or spending the same for a WR762? And throwing dollars to Canadian economy vs. foreign?
I haven't seen a single thing in any of the threads on this rifle, of any of the reviews I have seen, that make that choice clear and obvious.
There are other 7.62 offerings out there, and I am a fan, sure enough. So why this rifle?
Lots of "I got in" and " I missed out", but little dialog on what this has to offer?
But, I digress. I should remember this is CGN. That is the way threads go here. Not necessarily a plethora of resourceful information. Just a marketing tool, in the end, to get the impulse buyers.
I'm just not buying this ad, yet.
Good point but not where this thread headed. We all are to blame for that. There are no rifles landed yet so no Canadian reviews. US reviews look promising and frankly better than the BCL102 reviews I've seen. However they are two different rifles. Comparing the M10x to the VZ series of rifles is a bit better. I've owned the VZs and they are great. How the comparisons to the M10x is unknown yet. But again, going by the myriad of online reviews in the US it looks to be a good performer. It's not military proven like the VZ but it's also not over 50 years old.
As has already been discussed ad nauseum, the M10X offers the following key advantages over existing, older 7.62x39mm rifle/carbine designs:
- Monolithic top rail for unlimited optics mounting options,
- MLOC modular side and bottom handguard rails,
- Standard North American muzzle thread with factory brake,
- Ambidextrous controls, including reversible cocking handle,
- Magpul furniture for optimized ergonomics, including buttstock cheek risers for optics mounting,
- Use of modern materials (steel receiver, extruded aluminum monolithic receiver shell, polymer furniture) and finishes (nitrited steel including bore, and anodized aluminum,
- Simple disassembly into major components without tools,
- Improved AK fire control group with enhanced trigger and AR style change lever,
- Accepts all known variants of 7.62x39mm AK magazines with stabilizing magazine release lever,
-Straight line design for enhanced recoil and muzzle-rise reduction.
There are no doubt a few features that I've missed just off the top of my head, but I'm sure the message ought to be clear enough. The M10X offers substantial improvements over its 7.62x39mm predecessors in just about every facet of its design, fabrication and performance. If that isn't enough to float yer boat then the M10X probably isn't for you. Simple, really.
Wow, this is still going, took me a while to read it all, lol.
For myself personally, if it comes in at the same price as the pre-sale price I may just have to give one a try but not until I hear what the warranty is like, who will be handling warranty, and if spare parts will be stocked in Canada.
If it gets the price jack and retail is over $1500 I'd rather just give the BCL102 a chance, I'm not overly impressed with the reports so far but at least I know any warranty issues will be taken care of. Meh, maybe just skip them both and try a M305a for under $1000, or a used XCR-L for $2000.
Not sure why they couldn't come up with a retail price by the time they said they would but I'm not exactly surprised either.
Wait and see and make a decision once they release a firm Canadian retail price.
For myself personally, if it comes in at the same price as the pre-sale price I may just have to give one a try but not until I hear what the warranty is like, who will be handling warranty, and if spare parts will be stocked in Canada.
If it gets the price jack and retail is over $1500 I'd rather just give the BCL102 a chance, I'm not overly impressed with the reports so far but at least I know any warranty issues will be taken care of. Meh, maybe just skip them both and try a M305a for under $1000, or a used XCR-L for $2000.
Not sure why they couldn't come up with a retail price by the time they said they would but I'm not exactly surprised either.
Wait and see and make a decision once they release a firm Canadian retail price.
Why is this rifle being compared to a 308 blc 102? Because it's semi auto? Am I missing something? It's apples to oranges. It's like asking "what does this offer that my 10-22 doesn't already do?" Some of you have really exposed your ignorance.
As listed above, this seems to have a ton of great features and is somewhat unique in Canada. What else compares? Flat top upper, non restricted, modern furniture, cheap ammunition and available magazines.
As listed above, this seems to have a ton of great features and is somewhat unique in Canada. What else compares? Flat top upper, non restricted, modern furniture, cheap ammunition and available magazines.
And yes. Textbook trolling. Lots of disappointed trolls in this thread.
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You don't understand why things cost less to make in China?
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Actually he wasn't even online. Someone might have had to text him.
Lol this is true, if it wasn't for close friends on here I would have missed out aswell
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There are many factors to consider. I've said it a million times here but you can't do a direct comparison as our markets are vastly different. There is not only the reduction in population to consider, but the vast differences in population density. This has wide reaching impacts on pricing due to significantly higher costs on infrastructure, leading to much higher taxes and higher costs of doing business (especially transport).
While I agree that $2400 is too much for the rifle, I'm not surprised that $1450 is too low to sell here either. Generally, I find converting the U.S. MSRP to CAD gives a fairly reasonable Canadian retail price. It gives the distributor and retailer room to make money on the the product due to increased costs of doing business in Canada and import costs. If special modifications are required (i.e. longer barrel length) to be in compliance with Canadian law, this can add a couple hundred more to the price. Off a $1250 USD MSRP, this would give $1600-$1800. Knowing Canada Ammo, I would guess that the $2400 end of the estimate was assuming a low Canadian dollar and extra costs from M+M, while they were expecting closer to $2000, maybe lower with a strong CAD. You need to consider that the Canadian business putting up big sums of money to get these rifles approved and work with manufacturers to get Canadian compliant versions of these rifles approved need to make some money doing this, or they won't bother going through the trouble, and these new designs simply won't be imported. I think lots of people here are getting way bent out of shape, and I see a huge lack of knowledge in regards to both running a small to medium sized business in Canada, as well as the intricacies of doing cross-border business with highly controlled goods.
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