M+M M10x FRT 153447
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I think Canada Ammo is watching this discussion... And they are looking at a much larger order with a lower cost per unit..
So this preorder price might be the most expensive in Canada once everything shakes out..
That's what I think....flame on..
I would not be surprised if Canada Ammo isn't getting any.
Sunchild2071
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That turned out to be a crock of sh!te.
Which I guess, according to this thread, is the new definition of integrity.
Yep, me too.
That is my biggest grip in all of this....and probably for many others.
I recall the original info saying this pre-sale would be on for 2-3 weeks and no limit on number of units available.
I did try to pre-order, but kept getting a 'Gateway Error", so I thought I'll call Tuesday am....but the sale ended before that was possible.
I'm sure many of us would have acted differently if we knew there was only a 48-72hr window before it all collapsed.
I hope we hear new soon on the new pricing.
Canada tail
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This.
I was somewhat interested in these rifles just because it's a bit different, but couldn't see where it would fit in to my collection. I've got lots of restricted and non restricted rifles so on and off range use are covered. I won't hunt with this rifle either, so where does it fit?
Despite it not really filling a niche, at around $1500 it's priced fairly enough that I might buy one anyway. At $2000 or more, meh. It's not that interesting. I think cold war type rifles like the 858 or Type 81 (if they ever arrive) sort of have more appeal from a "AK" standpoint actually.
Despite it not really filling a niche, at around $1500 it's priced fairly enough that I might buy one anyway. At $2000 or more, meh. It's not that interesting. I think cold war type rifles like the 858 or Type 81 (if they ever arrive) sort of have more appeal from a "AK" standpoint actually.
Nope, but one possible definition of integrity is for a company to admit a mistake and take a financial hit in fulfilling mistakenly under-priced orders so as not to disappoint its' trusting customers.
Time to give the completely unwarranted M+M bashing a rest. It is getting old, fast. Wanstall's manned up and mea-culpa'd that the mistake in pricing was theirs alone. M+M has stated on their FB page that they were blindsided by the RCMP announcement and the immediate Wanstall's pre-order. When the disconnect in pricing was identified, Wanstalls immediately terminated the pre-sale (as is their right to do at any time) in order to limit their financial exposure should they choose to honour the existing pre-orders. To their credit, Wanstalls did honour the pre-orders that they received. M+M is now working on sorting out dealer and MSRP pricing, distributorship, logistics, production schedules, etc, etc specific to the newly-opened Canadian market and have announced that they will provide a balanced MSRP ASAP.
What in the above version of events (if Wanstalls and M+M are to be believed), is deserving of continued wrath against the company that at the end of the day, is trying to bring their cool new NR rifle to the Canadian market? Similarly, why be angry with Wanstalls for putting an early end to a money-losing proposition? Wouldn't any one of us do the same in their shoes?!?
As for Canada Ammo, it would seem that they are now biding their time waiting to see what M+M comes up with. If M+M invoke a MAP, Canada Ammo will not be able to offer the lowest price in the industry without risking their supply. They can always offer free shipping or similar incentives (eg. free mags) to sweeten the pot for potential buyers, but the price would be fixed. In any case, it would seem that M+M are in no way beholden to Canada Ammo for having submitted a test sample. Clearly CanAm had no exclusive, formal agreement with M+M or they wouldn't have gone silent like they have. All bets are likely off that CanAm will obtain the distributorship that they obviously thought was a "done deal" in their favour. Sucks to be them, but hopefully they will overcome their disappointment by selling many fairly-price M10X rifles as either the Canadian Distributor or as a retailer.
P.S. The President of M&M Industries has some interesting observations in the comments on their FB page concerning the likely distributor mark-up on the T81 rifles coming out of China. According to Mr. Meier, at a manufacturer's wholesale price of $200 USD there is room for a 400% mark-up to arrive at a dealer price of $800 USD / $1000 CAD. Yet nobody is crucifying TI for raking in the profits, are they? Why the double standard vilifying M+M for wanting to turn a reasonable profit for their investors? Just some food for thought....assuming we can still think despite all the outrage....
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Grease o'plenty it seems. Spread it like Parkay.
So you dislike Wanstalls and will not be buying anything from them ever again??
Lol, even after TSE pulled their trick with the SA rifles people kept shopping there. No matter how mad people say they are chances are good that if Wanstalls put crates of x39 on sale everyone would forget how mad they are and order three crates.
Until we actually hear something from Wanstalls or Canada Ammo about what the actual retail price is going to be we're all just guessing. People may be getting upset for nothing. For all we know the regular price will be the same as the pre-sale price or even less. I'm pretty sure no one needs to worry about Wanstalls losing money. They were pricing based on making money right from the start, they won't be paying over $1400 for these rifles. They may not make as much as they planed but if they were going to lose money on all the pre-orders they would simply refund your money and apologize.
Hopefully this week we get some news so we can all either pull out our credit cards or those that don't like the price can move on to the next world changing rifle that's coming to Canada as NR.
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#1bcshooter
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They will just fade from memory like their T97's did .
Any post opened in their forum will probably disappear into the void
Sunchild2071
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I added some stuff, above.
Other people can choose what they want to do. As for the t81, I withdrew a few months ago. My position and why is clearly stated in one of the threads on the t81.
Again, this like the t81, with all the players claiming to be so surprised! Really? Is this not their business? What they do for a living? Yet all the players seem to have no clue what is going on. I have a hard time believing that.
Further that I think all the parties should be able to make a profit, or there would be no players left. So no argument there. But I really think that profit should be borne by ALL the retail customers. If a corporation is willing to identify that they want to subsidize US consumers at the expense of Canadian consumers, you can feel free to be that Canadian consumer. If they flop here, perhaps they may re- think that strategy.
Angst? No. Expecting better? Yes.
How does a business improve? If all they hear is the good stuff, it will never happen. TI knows why I won't spend money with them. They can choose what to do with that info, what they will. Wanstalls, likewise. And they can choose to use that information as they wish.
Although I am unlikely to purchase either of these rifles, based on their short histories, before even getting to market, I wouldn't quite be willing to say never. I will be looking however, if I do decide to purchase, to use a different channel. If that is not available, I'll take a pass. Easy as that. I do like to support Canadian, and local, when I can.
These vendors sponsor and advertise in this forum, due to the power of social media. It is likely they skim these threads, to guage their market. They would have to be crazy, to not do that. That is one of the benefits of social media.
So if you think these threads should be full of nothing but praise, you are doing the retailers a disservice, IMHO.
The final outcome of both these rifles will be interesting to see, undoubtedly.
Wow. Lots of whining in this thread. This must be the social media generation coming out. Do you all stomp your feet and make a big scene in real life when you don't get your way?
Whatever the price is, if it's not worth it to you, walk away. You don't need to make a spectacle out of it blaming everyone involved.
It's not often we get to see behind the scenes of how a deal gets done. It's shady and sometimes unfair. It's business. Any time money is involved, it can get ugly. It's not the rosie posie status updates that a lot of you are used to.
Whatever the price is, if it's not worth it to you, walk away. You don't need to make a spectacle out of it blaming everyone involved.
It's not often we get to see behind the scenes of how a deal gets done. It's shady and sometimes unfair. It's business. Any time money is involved, it can get ugly. It's not the rosie posie status updates that a lot of you are used to.
Yes it did so given thag are you no longer a Wanstalls shopper??
Isn't that a separate issue? I only said that driving prices up isn't good for our community. It's better when more guns are in our hands. I've said the same about VZ-58s. Vendors test the waters and there's no need to take the bait. I would have liked this so much better if a price was stated and they were available to buy. Simple. No shenanigans. No multiple threads. Gun in hand.
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I think everyone would have loved it to go down just like that and those that saw them for pre order probably didn't think it was gonna be blown up into this kind of proportion.
Being a seperate issue or not, are you not shopping at Wanstalls anymore cuz of it??
I'm genuinely interested to know
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