An Update on Wanstalls M10x pre-order!

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I'd agree with this.
The cz is $1300-$1400 now though. At $1600, you're for sure getting $200 more rifle.

But are you? The 858 is a proven design that was used by militaries. This is not. Personally I don't buy guns just because they look good, so unless this has some ground breaking features that you can't get on other x39 rifles available, I don't see how this is any more gun than an 858.

Besides, I would get a Canadian made 858 long before I supported a company who openly told us they are going to jack up our price to make up for lost revenue in other markets. (at least they were honest?)
 
But are you? The 858 is a proven design that was used by militaries. This is not. Personally I don't buy guns just because they look good, so unless this has some ground breaking features that you can't get on other x39 rifles available, I don't see how this is any more gun than an 858.

Besides, I would get a Canadian made 858 long before I supported a company who openly told us they are going to jack up our price to make up for lost revenue in other markets. (at least they were honest?)
I guess we'll find out. All we know is how they look and what half a dozen YouTube reviews say. As far as what they said about subsidizing other markets, I'm not finding it. It for sure wouldn't be the first time it happened though. I guess we take the good with the bad to live here. In B.C. I'll pay 12% tax as well.
 
Bonus points for M+M about being honest!!! Bend over the Canadian's.... Make its tough to volunteer for that?? And pay them to do it..
Yet you all line up and do it for every other NR rifle in Canada. $1200 for a type 81 made in some sweat shop out of pot metal for $50. $1400 for an 858 that was closer to $500 10 years ago., $1700 for the new BCL. the list goes on. Lots of guys are salty they didn’t get in on the pre order and now they want to take their marbles and go home. M+M will have no problem selling this rifle as people will line up in the cold for it just like they do for ever other black NR rifle in this country
 
so your saying that M+M would refuse to sell the 18.6 barrel version to a fellow american because we are so special that we are going to get all of them?
Adding a canadian end user tax to grease the investors is B.S. and will only last so long, leaving would be buyers bitter towards their company in the end.
this is not a company i would be happy giving my money to and would not enjoy owning their product because of it. new guns are coming out every day. one just like it could be right around the corner for all we know from a company with a much better moral standing and respect for its customers.
good luck M+M.

The 18.6 doesn't appear to be another version, why would anyone in the US want an extra two and a half inches on a x39 flinger? For the performance increase? That's a joke, 99% of people will shoot nothing but surplus through their rifle and from what I've seen they are getting around 4 moa from cheap ammo, an extra 50fps from the 2 inches of barrel won't change that and won't benefit anyone but Canadians since it allows for NR status. It is a barrel offered just to us to open up a new market because they are not selling enough rifles in the US. This is what they stupidly explained in their news release which was later retracted, they were raising the price to us in order to subsidize their US sales.

On the rest of your comment I think you are right, they will lose a lot of potential sales if they jack up the price for all Canadian export rifles. That is a choice we all have, if you don't like the price they come up with then don't buy it, if you don't like the companies ethics then don't buy their rifle.

Hopefully they've been reading our comments and realize we're not willing to pay extra just to help them look good to their investors but if they give us the rifle for a fair price they will sell a lot of rifles.
After seeing the last video showing it's accuracy and how it performs dirty I definitely won't buy one if the price is higher than the pre-sale price. The rifle performs terribly dirty and 4 moa is SKS accuracy so it's nothing special, just another ok rifle made by an unknown company with no history and that has one item in their catalog.

Unfortunately there will always be people who have money to burn and no morals telling them that they shouldn't support an underhanded company and they will buy one regardless of the price.

Until there actually is a released retail price why is everyone getting so excited? For all we know the price will be $100 more than the pre-sale price which for most would be acceptable.


Please show us these comments I can't seem to find them

The really greasy ones were deleted when they realized how stupid it was to post something that said word for word that they were going to increase the price to us to subsidize low sales in the US.

858, t81, m305a are all cheaper and all lees desirable too.....

Why is this more desirable? The last video I watched on these showed that it was no more accurate than any other x39 and also showed that it does not function at all if it gets dirt inside that open receiver. The only thing this rifle has over the others is that no one here has ever touched one so all we have to go on is pictures and videos. Sure, it looks a lot more modern and tacticool but so far it actually seems to be less reliable than all the rifles you listed.
When it comes right down to it if you factor in accuracy and reliability and forget about it looking cooler the other options are more desirable to me, I value reliability over having rail space and m-lok so I can hang useless junk off of it and on a rifle that shoots a cartridge only good for 250-300 yards I don't really care if I can easily mount a scope on it, a good quality set of irons is all I really need for those ranges on a 4 moa rifle.
That brings up another point, have a good look at the M10x, the stock height is lower than the rail so just like the Swiss Arms, the APC, and a bunch of others these will not work well with sights made for an AR, you will need ultra low mounts limiting you to red dot sights or having to find a cheek riser in order to put a scope on it unless you like a chin-weld. Notice how the pics so far with an Aimpoint on it shows it right down on the rail?
This rifle should have come with a nice set of irons like the SA rifles do or a more inline stock design
 
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I guess we'll find out. All we know is how they look and what half a dozen YouTube reviews say. As far as what they said about subsidizing other markets, I'm not finding it. It for sure wouldn't be the first time it happened though. I guess we take the good with the bad to live here. In B.C. I'll pay 12% tax as well.

From CanAm, the company who apparently did the leg work on getting the FRT.

"When I pressed M+M on their very high pricing, I was told they had an agreement with their US investors to use export pricing to subsidize US pricing. Retail would be $2000-$2400 once the dust settled , based on exchange at time of import/approval. So be it, it is their boat. So I announced a rough price at the time, with a very low margin for us, and a dealer price that meant we likely had to only sell customer direct."

So according to CanAm, we are getting screwed to keep US prices lower.
 
......After seeing the last video showing it's accuracy and how it performs dirty I definitely won't buy one if the price is higher than the pre-sale price. The rifle performs terribly dirty and 4 moa is SKS accuracy so it's nothing special, just another ok rifle made by an unknown company with no history and that has one item in their catalog...

So if the M10X is such a mediocre offering, why are you so compelled to write about it at every opportunity?
 
Yes. There's a select few that missed the presale and now have a hate on for the rifle. Or the company. It's the internet. What can you do.

I didn't miss the presale, I passed on it... Besides that, my sks functions just fine, and I could get a mag well adapter and a Saber tooth chassis for under $700, or by the scorpio-15 for $850. 10rds, cheaper, and built on a super reliable platform vs 5rds, more expensive and questionable platform...

I think this product is over hyped strictly because it's related to the AK which is verboten... And that's fine. What's not fine to me is the fact they plan to subsidize US pricing with export markets.
 
I didn't miss the presale, I passed on it... Besides that, my sks functions just fine, and I could get a mag well adapter and a Saber tooth chassis for under $700, or by the scorpio-15 for $850. 10rds, cheaper, and built on a super reliable platform vs 5rds, more expensive and questionable platform...

I think this product is over hyped strictly because it's related to the AK which is verboten... And that's fine. What's not fine to me is the fact they plan to subsidize US pricing with export markets.

Hmm... if only there was something you could do... Maybe you can convince all of cgn to boycott it? Having never seen or handled one, you sure seem to know a lot of better options. Including an sks in a chassis...
 
So if the M10X is such a mediocre offering, why are you so compelled to write about it at every opportunity?

Because I like to talk about guns, this is a new rifle coming to our market and if based on the information available to me if comes in at a fair price for what you're getting I may still buy one.
I don't need to think it's the greatest rifle ever made to buy one, I only need to feel I'm not being ripped off if I put my money on the table.

We don't all have to fall head over heals for the rifle and only sing songs of how wonderful a rifle no one here has even seen is in order to be interested.
You got in on the pre-sale, good for you. I hope you get your rifle and you are very happy with it and it lives up to your expectations. I'm the guy who doesn't fall for the pretty rails and m-lok and immediately start praising a rifle I know nothing about.
I'm always a little more cautious on a new product from a new company, I'll wait for the dust to settle and see how people like you like it before I spend my money. If that means I miss out on the lower price or on the rifle completely then so be it, there will be another new shiny toy to think about in the near future, there always is. The XCR went this way for me, I wanted one when they were first announced, I waited to see how they performed and still haven't bought one. I've owned most of the NR black rifles on the market and have my favorites and also the ones that were a disappointment to me. When people ask for opinions or advice I try to only comment on rifles I've actually shot.
The M10x is a rifle none of us have even held yet you get mad when anyone says anything negative about it. How do you know one way or the other?
You don't seem bothered at all by the comments made by M+M about subsidizing US sales by jacking the price on rifles exported to Canada as long as you get your pre-sale price. What does that say about your morals? People are right to be upset by a company that conducts business that way, I fully accept that the manufacturer and every set of hands between them and the consumer needs to make money but jacking the price by 50% just because they think we're all stupid enough to pay it turns me off of the product they are peddling. The reason I'm still watching and commenting is that I hope this is a misunderstanding or at least they will realize the error they have made. If the price is reasonable I may buy one, if they jack it up then you will be one of the few who owns one and then has trouble getting parts and service when Canadian retailers realize there is no market here at the new price and they drop it and don't continue to support it.
 
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In all fairness, maybe it's a pos... I was just saying to a buddy before the presale, that I was thinking of getting back into 7.62x39 after selling him my sks as his first rifle. I've had a vz58 previously and liked it, but wanted a low powered optic on it. I thought it was a bit expensive at $1450 too, but splurged. It was timing for me.
 
The 18.6 doesn't appear to be another version, why would anyone in the US want an extra two and a half inches on a x39 flinger? For the performance increase? That's a joke, 99% of people will shoot nothing but surplus through their rifle and from what I've seen they are getting around 4 moa from cheap ammo, an extra 50fps from the 2 inches of barrel won't change that and won't benefit anyone but Canadians since it allows for NR status. It is a barrel offered just to us to open up a new market because they are not selling enough rifles in the US. This is what they stupidly explained in their news release which was later retracted, they were raising the price to us in order to subsidize their US sales.

On the rest of your comment I think you are right, they will lose a lot of potential sales if they jack up the price for all Canadian export rifles. That is a choice we all have, if you don't like the price they come up with then don't buy it, if you don't like the companies ethics then don't buy their rifle.

Hopefully they've been reading our comments and realize we're not willing to pay extra just to help them look good to their investors but if they give us the rifle for a fair price they will sell a lot of rifles.
After seeing the last video showing it's accuracy and how it performs dirty I definitely won't buy one if the price is higher than the pre-sale price. The rifle performs terribly dirty and 4 moa is SKS accuracy so it's nothing special, just another ok rifle made by an unknown company with no history and that has one item in their catalog.

Unfortunately there will always be people who have money to burn and no morals telling them that they shouldn't support an underhanded company and they will buy one regardless of the price.

Until there actually is a released retail price why is everyone getting so excited? For all we know the price will be $100 more than the pre-sale price which for most would be acceptable.




The really greasy ones were deleted when they realized how stupid it was to post something that said word for word that they were going to increase the price to us to subsidize low sales in the US.



Why is this more desirable? The last video I watched on these showed that it was no more accurate than any other x39 and also showed that it does not function at all if it gets dirt inside that open receiver. The only thing this rifle has over the others is that no one here has ever touched one so all we have to go on is pictures and videos. Sure, it looks a lot more modern and tacticool but so far it actually seems to be less reliable than all the rifles you listed.
When it comes right down to it if you factor in accuracy and reliability and forget about it looking cooler the other options are more desirable to me, I value reliability over having rail space and m-lok so I can hang useless junk off of it and on a rifle that shoots a cartridge only good for 250-300 yards I don't really care if I can easily mount a scope on it, a good quality set of irons is all I really need for those ranges on a 4 moa rifle.
That brings up another point, have a good look at the M10x, the stock height is lower than the rail so just like the Swiss Arms, the APC, and a bunch of others these will not work well with sights made for an AR, you will need ultra low mounts limiting you to red dot sights or having to find a cheek riser in order to put a scope on it unless you like a chin-weld. Notice how the pics so far with an Aimpoint on it shows it right down on the rail?
This rifle should have come with a nice set of irons like the SA rifles do or a more inline stock design

I agree with all your comments except that the american public will not have the option to buy the 18.6" barreled version. M+M is not making a full rifle, removing the 16" barrel and then replacing it with a 18.6" barrel. they are simply not cutting off the extra 2.6" from a standard barrel blank, so there should not be a substantial mark up in price. But of course no one can see into the future, only time will tell if IRG will get their hands on any for the "american price".
 
Hmm... if only there was something you could do... Maybe you can convince all of cgn to boycott it? Having never seen or handled one, you sure seem to know a lot of better options. Including an sks in a chassis...

How do you know your $1449 rifle will perform any better than an SKS? You don't, you like it because you already committed to buy one and if you look at it with a little objectivity you may realize you just bought a rifle that doesn't do anything better than a rifle already available for half of what you paid.
Everyone has a right to not only have an opinion but also to express that opinion, they don't have to agree with you and you don't have to agree with them but you need to respect that they have the right to think differently than you.
Time will tell if the M10x is actually better than an SKS but until they are here and there are rounds downrange all we have to go by is youtube videos and propaganda from the manufacturer. They claim 1 moa yet the last video I saw was a guy shooting from a sled and making 3 round groups around 4 moa. They talk about a reliable design taken from proven battle rifles yet the video shows it becoming no more than a club when it gets sand inside the receiver. Sure, that's extreme and not something that many rifles will ever be subjected to but I've seen videos of AR's do better than that in sand and AR's are known to be finicky when dirty.
 
I agree with all your comments except that the american public will not have the option to buy the 18.6" barreled version. M+M is not making a full rifle, removing the 16" barrel and then replacing it with a 18.6" barrel. they are simply not cutting off the extra 2.6" from a standard barrel blank, so there should not be a substantial mark up in price. But of course no one can see into the future, only time will tell if IRG will get their hands on any for the "american price".

I'm not saying they will charge more for 2.5 inches of barrel, only that there is no market for it in the US, we only want it because it allows it to pass through as NR. Other than that there is no advantage and since these are obviously not selling in the US it makes no sense to add the length for the US market.
 
Yes. There's a select few that missed the presale and now have a hate on for the rifle. Or the company. It's the internet. What can you do.

I got pre-order e-mail right away. I just passed on the offer.

Rifle is very cool on paper. I like magpul stock (i have the same one on my Vz58). Like m-lock, the mono-upper, swiss arms action design. Did not like the open receiver.

I will most likely get one, just a restricted version if I ever feel like getting another range toy.
 
Look at you go, CR5. It's almost as if you are desperate to defend your position....whatever it is, hidden in all of your "holier than thou" bafflegab. You can question my morals all you like. I owe you nothing, including an explanation of my reasons for thinking and deciding as I do. At the end of the day, WTF do morals have to do with buying a new rifle anyways?!? LOL! It is hardly a matter of life and death whether I am customer #1 or one million. Seriously dude, your compass has lost its magnetic North with all of these recent posts of yours. Look at yourself, reduced to throwing out insults when people dont agree with your narrow perspective. That is pretty pathetic.

I used to view your opinions about black guns with a degree of respect, but I'm afraid you have put that squarely to rest with your bizarre campaign against M+M Industries and their rifle. Wow, just wow.
 
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