Saskatchewan's Primitive Weapons Season. (Shotguns Anyone???)

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I am just wanting to know if any of you fellow Saskie's would prefer to hunt with a shotgun for big game in our primitive weapons season.
Muzzle loaders have advanced a lot in the last few years and some have greater range than a 12 gauge with a slug. Personally I dislike the constant cleaning for a muzzle loader. The new powders are great but you must be vigilant on your cleaning regime. Most hunters own shotguns and except for the shotgun zones around the major cities their use is limited unless you want to use them in the regular season.
Why not Primitive Weapons???
 
I would say they're not considered primitive due to being repeaters. I think we should considered getting rid of scopes on muzzleloaders. They're just too advanced these days to be considered primitive.
 
I guess I should rephrase that. I don't think they should ban scopes but I personally am fine limiting myself with open sights. We have enough rules and regs as is. But no, shotguns are not primitive weapons.
 
Well then let's let's ban the bow season because the modern compound almost doubles the range of a traditional bow. I have used old style bp rifles and new style scoped ones. All it has done is add a bit more range and also reduces the probability of a bad shot. (Which is a good thing)

It is still a single shot with far less range than a modern rifle. Why the h@ll would we want to add regulation or reduce people's opportunities to hunt. Using a compound bow or crossbow or an inline muzzle loader does not decimate game populations. It is not any more dangerous and it gives more people an opportunity to hunt.

If you want to go primitive do so but don't crap on other people's parade.
 
Scopes do help people with vision problems and I am not trying to start a spat about what definitions to put on a primitive weapon. As far as a shotgun being a repeater there are twin barrel black powder guns out there. So they are repeaters too. I am just saying that shotguns are a short range tool. Why not have the option.
 
withthe advance of modern muzzleloaders in bc our primitive weapon season is gone ,scopes probably the main concern -

Yeah, the modern Muzzle Loaders pretty much killed the feelings that there was any real need or purpose to the special seasons.

I have seen a few of the US States have changed their definitions for the purposes of their primitive weapons seasons to actually reflect more the 'primitive' and exclude the modern stuff from being eligible for use. No scopes, that sort of thing.
The objective, usually, was to give the guys that were willing to put in the extra effort, and that would work within the limitations of the restricted range, a time that they could be out and about without too many others around, but the newer tech has pretty much removed most of the 'disadvantage' that the ML guys used to be under. Not really a surprise that the separate season was done away with.
 
We don't have a primitive weapons season. Never have as far as I know. What we have is an archery season and a muzzle-loader season followed by a rifle season. If you have to load your shotgun with a stick it's a muzzleloader. If you don't it isn't.

What you should do is lobby for a shotgun season, a lever action season, a single shot season, a iron sight season, a left handed season, a bare-foot season, a spear season (with Atlatl in the second half) a transvestite season and maybe if you have time and the inclination a primitive weapon season.

The modern resurgence of muzzleloading has already lasted longer than the real percussion era did.
 
Yeah, the modern Muzzle Loaders pretty much killed the feelings that there was any real need or purpose to the special seasons.

I have seen a few of the US States have changed their definitions for the purposes of their primitive weapons seasons to actually reflect more the 'primitive' and exclude the modern stuff from being eligible for use. No scopes, that sort of thing.
The objective, usually, was to give the guys that were willing to put in the extra effort, and that would work within the limitations of the restricted range, a time that they could be out and about without too many others around, but the newer tech has pretty much removed most of the 'disadvantage' that the ML guys used to be under. Not really a surprise that the separate season was done away with.

Nicely put. The scoped inline's are a ways from Primitive...which is what the season was tailored to.
As far as crapping on anyone else...well, AB does not have a primitive Weapons season anymore. A friendly Fish Cop said " Thank the scoped up inline crowd for that..."
So they sorta crapped on it for the 'Old School' crowd. It's all a point of view thing IMO
 
When you look at places that have canceled their muzzle loader season you have to look into who complained to the government that caused them to change it. In some cases it is a group of "purists" that have their panties in a bunch because some one is using an improved version of the primitive weapon in question. In the end it is a political decision and not one based on practical reasons.

As was said by Dogleg. If it loads from the front it is a muzzle loader.
 
We don't have a primitive weapons season. Never have as far as I know. What we have is an archery season and a muzzle-loader season followed by a rifle season. If you have to load your shotgun with a stick it's a muzzleloader. If you don't it isn't.

What you should do is lobby for a shotgun season, a lever action season, a single shot season, a iron sight season, a left handed season, a bare-foot season, a spear season (with Atlatl in the second half) a transvestite season and maybe if you have time and the inclination a primitive weapon season.

The modern resurgence of muzzleloading has already lasted longer than the real percussion era did.


You said it, everyone wants to be "Special", when I was in school all the special kids rode the short bus, and nobody wanted to be associated with the short bus, but I guess times are changing
 
Dogleg you always have a knack for cutting through the BS. Well said.
But you might get in trouble for suggesting we hunt transvestites.

I myself don't want to hunt them but if they volunteer to be hunted and are allowed to arm themselves for self-defence I guess it could be considered fair chase.
 
Yeah, the modern Muzzle Loaders pretty much killed the feelings that there was any real need or purpose to the special seasons.

I have seen a few of the US States have changed their definitions for the purposes of their primitive weapons seasons to actually reflect more the 'primitive' and exclude the modern stuff from being eligible for use. No scopes, that sort of thing.
The objective, usually, was to give the guys that were willing to put in the extra effort, and that would work within the limitations of the restricted range, a time that they could be out and about without too many others around, but the newer tech has pretty much removed most of the 'disadvantage' that the ML guys used to be under. Not really a surprise that the separate season was done away with.

This pretty much defines it.
If the kill percentage is almost the same as regular rifle season, there really isn't a need or advantage or whatever word you care to use for a muzzleloader season. It doesn't serve the initial intent of getting hunters afield without killing a multitude of animals.
 
I guess I should rephrase that. I don't think they should ban scopes but I personally am fine limiting myself with open sights. We have enough rules and regs as is. But no, shotguns are not primitive weapons.

Unless they are primitive shotguns. Like inline muzzleloaders with smokeless powder, sabots and scopes. Primitive is no longer an accurate description. Call it "Relatively Short Range Season."
 
This pretty much defines it.
If the kill percentage is almost the same as regular rifle season, there really isn't a need or advantage or whatever word you care to use for a muzzleloader season. It doesn't serve the initial intent of getting hunters afield without killing a multitude of animals.

Hunters are only allowed 1 deer per season no matter what they use to kill it.

If the intent of hunting is to get hunters out without killing animals why would they allow rifles at all?
 
Hunters are only allowed 1 deer per season no matter what they use to kill it.

If the intent of hunting is to get hunters out without killing animals why would they allow rifles at all?

One?

Has SK gone that far down the outhouse hole? CWD culls? Weather/winterkill?

Was 3 over the counter for white tail, and an Archery mulie, if so inclined, when I was there. Plus any draws that you may have been pulled for.

Nothing compared to the 20 or so tags you are allowed in Alberta, if you are willing to travel, use various harvest methods, etc., but still lots of meat.

On the 'then, it's a Muzzle Loader' comment, yep, it is, but when the separate seasons were put in place initially, a 300 yard capable Muzzle Loader was not something that everyone could buy in the morning and be shooting deer with that afternoon either.

As per the quote of the CO. Thank the scoped inline, for that. So no real need for a separate season any more.

IIRC, someone had raised the issue of a compound bow not being the same as a stick bow. Well, nope. It isn't, but the max effective range of a competent user is still only out to 100 or so yards on a pretty darn good day. Most won't shoot half that distance well, and many not even that far. There are a few guys out ther ethat can reliably shoot farther, but they are essentially freaks, and practice like a concert pianist does, to maintain the skills.

As a case in point for other factors coming in to play, in Strathcona County, the area around Edmonton, the Archers got handed pretty much a freebie, in that the zone was designated for Archery only. But the Archers could not keep the numbers down to levels that the biologists wanted, no matter how many tags they bought. So they opened the area to shotguns and ML's and the Archers howled like they had been branded (some of which went on here on CGN at the time), foretold doom and accidental shootings, etc., none of which came to pass.

It's not always about the technology levels. Differing methods used during each hunt type also need consideration. I recall one year where the Archery and Rifle seasons for Antelope overlapped in SK. When you consider that the normal method to bow hunt antelope was to tuck yourself in behind a decoy, and ambush the incoming Antelope, as a Bow hunter, you could see the concerns when you may have found bullet holes appearing in that same decoy, eh?

Cheers
Trev (Back home in BC where the Archery season is what, a week or less?, And no ML season.)
 
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