So, will I begin reloading?

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Ammo is very expensive these days and its crimping my shooting budget.
So I see the Lee Precision Anniversary Challenger Kit II on sale at Cabelas and am wondering if I should take the jump.
Since I know nothing about this, this is a starter set, sure its not the best but will do the job I need what else is there to get in addition to reloading dies (I think that is the name) for specific calibers.

There is the tumbler which I can make myself, so its not an issue.

Any help appreciated.
 
You will want to take a look at trimmers (you'll have to trim at some point), a chamfer/debur tool and I'd also suggest a reloading manual and perhaps primer pocket cleaning tools. The Lee trimming tools work fine as starter tools (skip their chamfer/debur tool and get a better one e.g. Lyman) and might be sufficient for your needs going forward. You'll need a caliper but I suspect that you already have one. Also, I think you'll get frustrated with the Lee scale very quickly and be looking for a better one. Consider picking up case gauges for the calibres you reload. If your guns are semi-auto I would recommend looking at gauges that measure both case length and width (e.g. from Sheridan Engineering or JP Rifles).

Other supplies that you will need are: case lube, powders (appropriate to the cartridges you'll load), primers (large, small, rifle or pistol) and brass.
 
That is a good starter set for standard popular rifle cartridges.

For handgun I would recommend progressive or turret press.

Personally I like the rockchucker.
 
So, will I begin reloading?

May as well ask "should I take the blue pill or the red pill" :)

I started off with the Lee anniversary kit and haven't looked back. You can pick up a lot of extras on the EE and I've found Amazon, surprisingly, a great source for various die sets - just gotta watch for the good prices.
 
What volume are you doing? Intended use?

I have four presses and a literal room full of reloading kit but still like a $50 Lee Loader for some tasks. You don't need to make a big investment to get started.
 
It's a good start, and most of what's in that kit is very usable. The scale is deservedly unpopular and annoying to use though.

It would be best IMHO to leave it in it's little box and sell it and buy a good RCBS or Lyman beam balance scale.

Also, a solid steel handheld deburring tool is far better than the Lee one.

The Lee case trimmer included in the kit works well with the pilots that you buy for each cartridge. I have a bench-mount Lyman case trimmer which I rarely use.

In time, you will want to upgrade to a Rockchucker, Lee Classic Cast iron press (not the stupid breech lock version), or best of all a Redding Big Boss II. Alternately, you may want to get an RCBS or Redding turret press.

But, for now, this kit will crank out either rifle or pistol ammo quite well until you are ready to upgrade.
 
Ammo is very expensive these days and its crimping my shooting budget.
So I see the Lee Precision Anniversary Challenger Kit II on sale at Cabelas and am wondering if I should take the jump.
Since I know nothing about this, this is a starter set, sure its not the best but will do the job I need what else is there to get in addition to reloading dies (I think that is the name) for specific calibers.

There is the tumbler which I can make myself, so its not an issue.

Any help appreciated.

Few questions you have to ask and answer before we can give an informed opinion.

1) what calibers do you want to load? Are you looking for plinking rounds or precision rounds?
2) how many rounds of each caliber do you want to load in a given timespan?
3) how many hours do you want to spend at the reloading bench?
4) what is your budget?
 
...depends on your finances and living situation and what your goals are in shooting

...many of us started with a classic lee loader...basically gave us ammo for the cost of the components...can't save money better than than...and some calibers are cheaper yet because of the availability of brass, like 270, 30-06, or 303 brit...many can be had for free off of ranges

...from there i was hooked and went straight to top-line reloaders, but then i had no family at the time...and it has more than paid for itself over the past 40+ years and provided great hunting ammo!

...good luck on your choice!

(you know you want to!) :)
 
I started reloading to tailor my rifle loads but found I really enjoyed reloading as a hobby by itself, now I reload all kinds of calibres including shotgun slugs. So from what I've learned, do it if you think you will enjoy it as a hobby because it is quite time consuming just for the dollars saved.
 
Forgive me for being blunt but you should give up the idea that reloading is going to save you money as soon as possible. As I've advised others, it allows you to shoot much more due to the purchase of components in bulk but you will spend the same or more. It also requires a significant commitment of your time to get the results you want. I've never randomly stumbled on a consistently sub-MOA load.
 
Forgive me for being blunt but you should give up the idea that reloading is going to save you money as soon as possible. As I've advised others, it allows you to shoot much more due to the purchase of components in bulk but you will spend the same or more. It also requires a significant commitment of your time to get the results you want. I've never randomly stumbled on a consistently sub-MOA load.

I've heard this argument over and over, and it's only true if you actually do shoot much more. In my case, and others, I'm quite sure, that isn't the case. True, I did sometimes shoot more than I did when I had to buy factory ammunition. But, I'm not someone who shoots bucket loads of pistol ammunition in competition, so the increase was modest overall.

For me, reloading was essential, simply to make shooting center-fire ammunition possible. Some years were pretty lean, and the ability to crank out 100 reloaded rounds of .45LC or .44 magnum and 40 rounds of .30-30 for a Sunday excursion made all the difference.

The cost of a press, dies, scale, and powder measure, plus the small accessories was soon amortized.

Significant commitment to time to get the results that you want? Not for me. I wasn't looking for super accuracy, and found that my reloads taken from existing manuals were equal to factory ammunition from the very beginning.

Should you begin reloading? If you intend to continue shooting center-fire in anything beyond very modest amounts, you would be foolish not to.
 
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I started reloading to tailor my rifle loads but found I really enjoyed reloading as a hobby by itself, now I reload all kinds of calibres including shotgun slugs. So from what I've learned, do it if you think you will enjoy it as a hobby because it is quite time consuming just for the dollars saved.

I would agree that you should embrace it as a sub-hobby, because if you dislike doing it, or begrudge the time taken to do it, then you won't do it.
You should have a comfortable reloading station, though it certainly doesn't need to be anything more than a small bench and a few shelves.
You don't need to have 50 pounds of various powders and thousands of cartridge cases and bullets, as you see in some pictures here.
Buy a pound or two of the powders that you use, and a few hundred cases and a few boxes of bullets.

With a single stage press, you can crank out 100 rounds in an hour or so, after they come out of the tumbler, if you actually tumble them.
 
So I see the Lee Precision Anniversary Challenger Kit II on sale at Cabelas and am wondering if I should take the jump.
Since I know nothing about this, this is a starter set, sure its not the best but will do the job I need what else is there to get in addition to reloading dies (I think that is the name) for specific calibers.

Any help appreciated.

My 2 cents.

As mentioned here. ( Not knowing what calibers you intend to load or volume ) I got started on the Lee loader. Then it grew to the kit you are talking about. Plus the below mentioned upgrade in beam scale and various tooling as knowledge and diagnosis of issues increased to chase more performance.

For me, the objective is to learn and load ammunition for myself and my son. There is no cost saving in this situation because we shoot more but most of the loads are intended (dollar wise) to just get trigger time at the range.

It's a good start, and most of what's in that kit is very usable. The scale is deservedly unpopular and annoying to use though.

It would be best IMHO to leave it in it's little box and sell it and buy a good RCBS or Lyman beam balance scale.

But, for now, this kit will crank out either rifle or pistol ammo quite well until you are ready to upgrade.

Couldn't agree more. The kit has everything you need as an affordable start compared to other offerings...to see if reloading continues in the future for yourself. If it's the kit I purchased it includes a pretty good manual. The improvements will come in time if you continue on. As Shootist states, the beam scale improvement made reloading that much more enjoyable and yet fit the budget very well.

Significant commitment to time to get the results that you want? Not for me. I wasn't looking for super accuracy, and found that my reloads taken from existing manuals were equal to factory ammunition from the very beginning.

Yes. That's why I started. Additionally, it's a hobby that I get a chance to learn something and spend time with my teenage kids. Good, bad or otherwise, we reload and we shoot.

I'm not going to lie though...it's been a rabbit hole. This fall will be season 5, FWIW. I learnt by myself but if you have someone experienced to learn from I would recommend as a jump off point.

Regards
Ronr
 
Forgive me for being blunt but you should give up the idea that reloading is going to save you money as soon as possible. As I've advised others, it allows you to shoot much more due to the purchase of components in bulk but you will spend the same or more. It also requires a significant commitment of your time to get the results you want. I've never randomly stumbled on a consistently sub-MOA load.

I've heard this argument over and over, and it's only true if you actually do shoot much more. In my case, and others, I'm quite sure, that isn't the case. True, I did sometimes shoot more than I did when I had to buy factory ammunition. But, I'm not someone who shoots bucket loads of pistol ammunition in competition, so the increase was modest overall.

For me, reloading was essential, simply to make shooting center-fire ammunition possible. Some years were pretty lean, and the ability to crank out 100 reloaded rounds of .45LC or .44 magnum and 40 rounds of .30-30 for a Sunday excursion made all the difference.

The cost of a press, dies, scale, and powder measure, plus the small accessories was soon amortized.

Significant commitment to time to get the results that you want? Not for me. I wasn't looking for super accuracy, and found that my reloads taken from existing manuals were equal to factory ammunition from the very beginning.

Should you begin reloading? If you intend to continue shooting center-fire in anything beyond very modest amounts, you would be foolish not to.

I'm with nerdboy. It is a black hole that most of us step into when we start reloading. We start to "save money" and end up shooting more, testing more, reloading more, improving and adding to the equipment, purchasing better components, fine tuning powder types and quantities, adding calibers to reload, and on and on. Yes, you CAN limit yourself as shootist says, but it is difficult to resist the lure of better ammo made specifically for your own firearms.

As has been mentioned by others, reloading straight wall versus bottleneck is an entirely different can of worms. Bottleneck casings run at much high pressures in general and the cases need some love and care after a few reloads. When I shot 40S&W and 45ACP a lot, cases were loaded to a specific power factor and other than a quick dry tumble, for the most part they were dumped into a bucket and reloaded over and over and over with a quick check every so often for any obvious signs of incipient problems/failures.

During load development, my bolt gun precision cases are checked immediately after firing, and thoroughly inspected and measured after cleaning, every time. I use the same make of cases and each lot are kept together separated by reload count. Basically once they go into an MTM box they stay with that box forever and with that specific firearm forever and the box is marked to keep track of reload count, trimming, neck sizing, shoulder bumping, and body sizing. I have two .308's I use and each has its own finely tuned ammo. Each also has slightly different chamber measurements and once fired in the gun with the slightly longer chamber, the case will not fit into the other rifle without a full length resize. 308 is where I started reloading and I learned a lot with having two rifles of what I thought were the same caliber. I originally bought two rifles of the exact same make and type thinking that I could swap back and forth between them to keep shooting while the other cooled. The range is a significant drive away, so maximizing shooting time was and still is a primary concern.

So, bottom line is that if you are going to reload bottleneck rifle cartridges and want to keep it on the cheap, you will have to full length resize at least every second or third reload and I would suggest full length resizing every reload. I started by buying 100 rounds of the cheapest Winchester hunting ammo I could find, shot them and used them as my casings to reload. I would NOT use so-called once fired cases. You have no idea how many times they have been 'once-fired' or if they are damaged.
1) For a press I would suggest the Lee Classic Turret but don't get the kit. Get turrets for the dies of each caliber you want to reload. Once you have the dies set up, keep them in the turret and just swap out turrets as needed. It is what I started with and I still use it today for quite a few calibers.
2) Get the Lee Deluxe Perfect Powder Measure. It's not perfect but nothing is when working with any kind of extruded powder. I really like mine and you can also use the quick change drums on the Lee Automatic Powder Measure. I have one of these as well for use on the respective turret when reloading 44 and 357 Mag.
3) Get a decent magnetically dampened beam scale, something like the Redding #2. I had a Lee beam scale once upon a time and it is functional but very frustrating and slow to use. I personally use an RCBS Chargemaster 1500 electronic scale, but I also have access to a very high end electronic triple beam scale to ensure it is working properly. It does tend to drift about 0.05 to 0.1gr and I use the triple beam to check if the 1500 needs recalibrating.
4) Get a manual powder trickler, something like a RCBS powder trickler #2. Use the Lee powder measure to bulk measure out a load about 0.1 to 0.3 grains under what you want to end up with and then trickle in the remainder required.

Purchase and read several reloading manuals! Electronic ones are ok but I like paper books that you can have open and refer to while you are holding, setting up, measuring, operating and looking at the hardware. Watch youtube videos! There are lots to watch and there is a lot of good info and some not quite so good but still overall very informative.
 
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