M10X Canadian MSRP set

I couldn't get Tendas website to process an order, so I went with SFRC for the preorder.

I can't wait for this rifle, between this and my Type 81's I'm hoping my AK pipe dreams will be satiated.

I feel the price is in the ballpark for a small market like Canada. It's no more obscene a markup I paid for my Tavors, ACR, KAC, Noveske, etc;

Is it a perfect world for Canadian firearm enthusiasts? Nope. But things like this coming in only help our hobby. Posting hyperbolic, ignorant, trash ad nauseum, does nothing but divide. Your not happy with the way M+M handled things? We get it.

This is one more cool non-restricted toy on the market that will hopefully make Libs, Fuds, and internet-cry-baby-tough-guy-keyboard-warrior-forum-post-collectors, shed tears.
 
Shin_Gunto said:
I couldn't get Tendas website to process an order, so I went with SFRC for the preorder.

I can't wait for this rifle, between this and my Type 81's I'm hoping my AK pipe dreams will be satiated.

I feel the price is in the ballpark for a small market like Canada. It's no more obscene a markup I paid for my Tavors, ACR, KAC, Noveske, etc;

Is it a perfect world for Canadian firearm enthusiasts? Nope. But things like this coming in only help our hobby. Posting hyperbolic, ignorant, trash ad nauseum, does nothing but divide. Your not happy with the way M+M handled things? We get it.

This is one more cool non-restricted toy on the market that will hopefully make Libs, Fuds, and internet-cry-baby-tough-guy-keyboard-warrior-forum-post-collectors, shed tears.
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Well said.
 
Shin_Gunto said:
I feel the price is in the ballpark for a small market like Canada. It's no more obscene a markup I paid for my Tavors, ACR, KAC, Noveske, etc;
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The engineering, quality and quality control between this M10X and something like a Tavor/ACR/KAC are apples and oranges.

I totally get that people want this 'just because' and they don't need to justify #### but I still can't get over the bull #### DMR safety selector switch and other bull #### DMR "upgrades". It's embarrassing.

Is it a perfect world for Canadian firearm enthusiasts? Nope. But things like this coming in only help our hobby. Posting hyperbolic, ignorant, trash ad nauseum, does nothing but divide. Your not happy with the way M+M handled things? We get it.

This is one more cool non-restricted toy on the market that will hopefully make Libs, Fuds, and internet-cry-baby-tough-guy-keyboard-warrior-forum-post-collectors, shed tears.
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We're a victim of our own design. Because of our stupid class laws we often crave non-restricted cool guns which creates a market to jack prices up to exorbitant amounts. Something like a KAC rifle I can understand because of the quality history and pedigree behind it. But we're paying a lot of money for unproven rifles from basement office companies.
Because non-restricted.

The reason these rifles sell for so much is because we don't care enough not to buy them. People would still buy them at $3000.
 
Wow, don't look now but Micky Mouse can't change their MSRP fast enough, you gave them the green light, check it Monday and see 3000. lol
GuiltySpark said:
The engineering, quality and quality control between this M10X and something like a Tavor/ACR/KAC are apples and oranges.

I totally get that people want this 'just because' and they don't need to justify #### but I still can't get over the bull #### DMR safety selector switch and other bull #### DMR "upgrades". It's embarrassing.



We're a victim of our own design. Because of our stupid class laws we often crave non-restricted cool guns which creates a market to jack prices up to exorbitant amounts. Something like a KAC rifle I can understand because of the quality history and pedigree behind it. But we're paying a lot of money for unproven rifles from basement office companies.
Because non-restricted.

The reason these rifles sell for so much is because we don't care enough not to buy them. People would still buy them at $3000.
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Claven2 said:
Now you're talking out your @ss. Please point to your source that a Type 81 has been sold ANYWHERE in the western world for $200 within the last 10 years. Hint: you can't.

In other words, you made that up.
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The figure of $200 USD per copy that I quoted is FOB (Free On Board) from the port in China. You might want to read what I actually write the next time you try to criticize. Unlike some blow-hards on CGN, I take the time to actually read what others write and don't just make stuff up to support my own positions.

The $200 USD purchase price was quoted in a FB discussion some time ago, so I do not have a reference for you. You can choose to disbelieve what I've said so that the narrative better suits your emotional needs, however that won't change the basic economic facts of what Tactical Imports is doing. They are buying as cheap as possible from Norinco (or a subsidiary) and selling as high as they think the inflated Canadian retail firearms market will bear. They pay the freight FOB Port to Canada, GST and CBSA fees, freight from the Canadian Port to their warehouse and any other miscellaneous charges. In return, they jack the buying price fourfold (with the US/Canadian exchange rate factored in) and sell the $200 USD rifle to Canadian customers for $1000 CAD. What is so difficult to understand or believe about that?

Let's turn it around. Can you tell us that definitively that TI pays more than $200 USD per copy FOB Port from China? I don't think so. You are therefore talking out your @ss when you accuse me of the same. Put that in your pipe and choke on it.....
 
Shin_Gunto said:
I couldn't get Tendas website to process an order, so I went with SFRC for the preorder.

I can't wait for this rifle, between this and my Type 81's I'm hoping my AK pipe dreams will be satiated.

I feel the price is in the ballpark for a small market like Canada. It's no more obscene a markup I paid for my Tavors, ACR, KAC, Noveske, etc;

Is it a perfect world for Canadian firearm enthusiasts? Nope. But things like this coming in only help our hobby. Posting hyperbolic, ignorant, trash ad nauseum, does nothing but divide. Your not happy with the way M+M handled things? We get it.

This is one more cool non-restricted toy on the market that will hopefully make Libs, Fuds, and internet-cry-baby-tough-guy-keyboard-warrior-forum-post-collectors, shed tears.
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Outstanding post! Good for you not listening to all of the negaitve "static" spewing from the handful of indignant, self-appointed protectors of Canadian retail. Odds are the naysayers are all closet M10X lovers anyways.....

I too will own an M10X early in the new year once I replenish my hobby funds. I would prefer the 16.5" barrel or the SBR length, so will probably go the 3rd Party Importation route rather than Canadian retail. Kudos for you though, for not falling prey to the same stupidity as those who want to boycott or otherwise "punish" North Sylva for imposing their standard mark-up on this particular import. Those short-sighted folks simply cut off their noses to spite their faces!
 
GuiltySpark said:
The engineering, quality and quality control between this M10X and something like a Tavor/ACR/KAC are apples and oranges.

I totally get that people want this 'just because' and they don't need to justify #### but I still can't get over the bull #### DMR safety selector switch and other bull #### DMR "upgrades". It's embarrassing.



We're a victim of our own design. Because of our stupid class laws we often crave non-restricted cool guns which creates a market to jack prices up to exorbitant amounts. Something like a KAC rifle I can understand because of the quality history and pedigree behind it. But we're paying a lot of money for unproven rifles from basement office companies.
Because non-restricted.

The reason these rifles sell for so much is because we don't care enough not to buy them. People would still buy them at $3000.
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Let's keep it real for a moment; when you buy KAC, Noveske, BCM, etc. allot of that price is pure brand marketing, nothing else. This is no different than any other consumer product; your buying an image, philosophy, or a sense of "cool". I can understand the real or perceived "quality" argument in a market like the USA where the firearm has actual practical use, not just punching paper. From what I have seen, this rifle gets good grades, fits the image and functionality of what I want, I'm not naive or petulant enough to give mind to marketing ploys.

As for the cost; of course an innovatively designed new firearm from an independent company is going to have a larger price tag...they do not have the capital, market share, or brand recognition of larger makers. Had Wanstalls not prematurely ejaculated with their preorder pricing, which clearly was not finalized, I suspect none of this would have been an issue. My feeling is that in order for this rifle to come to market, M+M had to go with the biggest fish in the pond in terms of import capability to make it a viable venture for them, as a smaller manufacture, and still have enough meat on the bone for vendors to make a little profit. To think this rifle was going to retail for sub $1500 seemed ludicrous to me from the start, given the aforementioned.

Fellas, none of this will ever change until the government restrictions change.....attacking each other, posting garbage in the forums of good honest vendors, and just the pure unwarranted vitriolic tone that is permiating reflects poorly on our community.
 
Adam134 said:
And even worse several people have said they'll buy one.. Rather disappointed that people still choose to purchase regardless how poorly mm runs their business and gouges us.
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Some will buy them Look at All those NS Tavors that were $3000 now the supply and demand has caught up.Just a little over 2k. Once all the fanboys have grazed at the trough these will be the same or sit on the shelve.
 
Yes, there is qualitative and quantitative difference here, and much more than just product quality. Brand has a part to play, but your reasoning really is a straw man. Not everyone just wants a run of the mill rifle for paper punching.

Shin_Gunto said:
Let's keep it real for a moment; when you buy KAC, Noveske, BCM, etc. allot of that price is pure brand marketing, nothing else. This is no different than any other consumer product; your buying an image, philosophy, or a sense of "cool". I can understand the real or perceived "quality" argument in a market like the USA where the firearm has actual practical use, not just punching paper. From what I have seen, this rifle gets good grades, fits the image and functionality of what I want, I'm not naive or petulant enough to give mind to marketing ploys.
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Ah, I see you've seriously bought the BS M+M is selling. This is clear.

Shin_Gunto said:
As for the cost; of course an innovatively designed new firearm from an independent company is going to have a larger price tag...they do not have the capital, market share, or brand recognition of larger makers. Had Wanstalls not prematurely ejaculated with their preorder pricing, which clearly was not finalized, I suspect none of this would have been an issue. My feeling is that in order for this rifle to come to market, M+M had to go with the biggest fish in the pond in terms of import capability to make it a viable venture for them, as a smaller manufacture, and still have enough meat on the bone for vendors to make a little profit. To think this rifle was going to retail for sub $1500 seemed ludicrous to me from the start, given the aforementioned.
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It's affecting our market for sure, but our choices in doing business also matter. Vote with our wallets in this case and many of us are. Your choice. Vitriolic tone, really. Many people want to know the BS in our market, so calling it out is vitriolic and reflecting bad on us? My god man, what are you thinking? Sure some comments are over the top, but willingly putting up with this is supporting an amoral and collusive environment.

Your straw man argument, virtue signaling and social casting makes you sound like a hard core liberal.

Shin_Gunto said:
Fellas, none of this will ever change until the government restrictions change.....attacking each other, posting garbage in the forums of good honest vendors, and just the pure unwarranted vitriolic tone that is permiating reflects poorly on our community.
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Shin_Gunto said:
Let's keep it real for a moment; when you buy KAC, Noveske, BCM, etc. allot of that price is pure brand marketing, nothing else. This is no different than any other consumer product; your buying an image, philosophy, or a sense of "cool". I can understand the real or perceived "quality" argument in a market like the USA where the firearm has actual practical use, not just punching paper. From what I have seen, this rifle gets good grades, fits the image and functionality of what I want, I'm not naive or petulant enough to give mind to marketing ploys.
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Without a doubt image and name brand does come into play but I think you're under-stating the level of quality and engineering said companies bring to the shooting bench.

There is a reason you're going to trust your life with a colt canada or KAC and not NEA or Norinco and its not because the former has better marketing.

That quality contributes to a companies image and marketing for sure.

It's great that you want to buy this rifle even though you're savvy enough not to fall for the bull#### marketing. Personally speaking the company attempting this kind of marketing ploy is enough to send up red flags.
 
NoNE of this would have even been an issue if a certain middle man didn't start poking the bear whispering in its ear "higher, more money we can squeeze out of them"and then boom just like that the US MSRP was more.

Wasn't until that happened did they raise the price.

There is no other offerings like this in canada and unfortunately if people want one they will need to pay for it.

Have I done that before with other new and exciting products, #### ya, but only ones that cater "TO ME".

IM not an AR guy at all so any new ACR 3000$ hype, or KAC just didn't do it for me. Was I ever complaining the price on those for people who wanted them, nope.

But I will still get my M10X no matter how much people feel entitled yo let others who want know where they stand
 
Shin_Gunto said:
Let's keep it real for a moment; when you buy KAC, Noveske, BCM, etc. allot of that price is pure brand marketing, nothing else. This is no different than any other consumer product; your buying an image, philosophy, or a sense of "cool". I can understand the real or perceived "quality" argument in a market like the USA where the firearm has actual practical use, not just punching paper. From what I have seen, this rifle gets good grades, fits the image and functionality of what I want, I'm not naive or petulant enough to give mind to marketing ploys.

As for the cost; of course an innovatively designed new firearm from an independent company is going to have a larger price tag...they do not have the capital, market share, or brand recognition of larger makers. Had Wanstalls not prematurely ejaculated with their preorder pricing, which clearly was not finalized, I suspect none of this would have been an issue. My feeling is that in order for this rifle to come to market, M+M had to go with the biggest fish in the pond in terms of import capability to make it a viable venture for them, as a smaller manufacture, and still have enough meat on the bone for vendors to make a little profit. To think this rifle was going to retail for sub $1500 seemed ludicrous to me from the start, given the aforementioned.

Fellas, none of this will ever change until the government restrictions change.....attacking each other, posting garbage in the forums of good honest vendors, and just the pure unwarranted vitriolic tone that is permiating reflects poorly on our community.
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This is my whole point of what I have been trying to state. Some get it and some....well.......LMAO
 
Am I the only one who that thinks the "DMR this" and "DMR that" in the revised list of selling features from M+M was actually meant as tongue-in-cheek humour? It may have been poor humour that missed the mark with many, but does anyone else believe that the entire "DMR" tallk was simply self-depreciating humour from M+M? That's my take on it, as there are simply too many outright silly aspects to the "revised" features for them to be anything but a lame joke that backfired because a bunch of overly-serious Canucks took them seriously. People on here keep trying to use those joke "DMR features" as proof of M+M's incompetence, when the joke is actually on them.....
 
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It's not an insult, it's an observation, I don't have the time or energy to break it down, but I thought it was clear enough.

This is an internet forum where many spout off anonymously.
Bartok5 said:
That was a whole lot of pseudo-psychological labelling just to arrive at such a disappointingly generic political insult. C'mon, surely you can do better?
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